Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Alamo-Girl
quantizing the continuum

Well obviously it isn't a LOGICAL fallacy. It's a fallacy in the sense that you cannot categorize things as living or dead if you do not have agreement on a definition.

It is rather easy to predict that a large animal flattened by a steamroller will not spring back up like a LooneyToon. It is somewhat less certain that a tree is dead when cut down.

But I don't believe the discussion was about legal, clinical death. It was about defining that particular set of criteria that distinguishes life from non-life, in the abstract.

The very fact that we argue about viruses, prions, computer viruses and such indicates there is no clear set of commonly agreed upon criteria. The problem could get much more complex if someone discovers a bootstrap sequence for synthesizing DNA, RNA or proteins.

378 posted on 01/21/2005 9:50:08 AM PST by js1138
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 362 | View Replies ]


To: js1138; betty boop
Thank you for your reply!

Well obviously it isn't a LOGICAL fallacy. It's a fallacy in the sense that you cannot categorize things as living or dead if you do not have agreement on a definition.

The definition is exactly what we had already accomplished in choosing the Shannon-Weaver model to distinguish between life and non-life/death. Shannon is the mathematical model of communications, the basis of the field of information theory and the model used in current research, i.e. information theory and molecular biology in cancer research, etc. Successful communications (information as an action not a message) is unique to life and ceases in death.

After this fallacy of quantizing the continuum was asserted, two other models were raised: Irvin Bauer's model which is part math and part characterizations of biological life - and George Javor's which is entirely bio/chemical (and creationist).

If we were to go down the path you suggest (bio/chemical) - then I suspect we will run into a lot of subjective interpretations which will tilt to the ideology one brings to the table. Mathematics on the other hand is objective and also neutral to all ideology and theology.

I'm glad to pursue any of the models in any context (abiogenesis, life principle, fecundity principle, cosmology, geometry). But it would be a duplication to pursue it here instead of on the Plato thread where so much research has already been posted.

382 posted on 01/21/2005 10:15:16 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 378 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson