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To: quidnunc
It wouldn't necessarily bother the "Darwinists", theoretically, if the whole evolutionary sequence were turned upside down: for the "theory" doesn't predict anything. It only explains things after the fact.

Comforting thought for Warren, I suppose, but incorrect. Every version of evolution of which I'm aware predicts that no fossil bones of a modern human will ever be discovered by digging into rock or sediment layers that are previously untouched by human activity and are older than, say, 50 million years. Should such a thing happen (and should it be shown that no hoax was involved), all current versions of evolution would immediately be falsified. And that's just one of many reasons why evolution (in any of its flavors) is a scientific theory and not an ideological (i.e., refutation-proof) belief system.

3 posted on 01/19/2005 10:41:36 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
Comforting thought for Warren, I suppose, but incorrect. Every version of evolution of which I'm aware predicts that no fossil bones of a modern human will ever be discovered by digging into rock or sediment layers that are previously untouched by human activity and are older than, say, 50 million years. Should such a thing happen (and should it be shown that no hoax was involved), all current versions of evolution would immediately be falsified. And that's just one of many reasons why evolution (in any of its flavors) is a scientific theory and not an ideological (i.e., refutation-proof) belief system.

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4 posted on 01/20/2005 12:37:21 AM PST by mista science
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To: snarks_when_bored

I disagree, we would find a way to explain how the fossils got there or accept that we can't explain everything, but we wouldn't junk the whole theory so quickly.


5 posted on 01/20/2005 12:39:36 AM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Every version of evolution of which I'm aware predicts

Strong word that - predicts. As someone who might even take slight credit for the recent retreat of evolutionists from one, THE Theory, to a plenitude of 'every versions', perhaps you might explain to me some of these competing versions of a theory of evolution? Do you consider them to be science? Can they be falsified? Does any one person confess the same sense of any one of these 'every versions' as anyone else, or do all just talk past each other under a vague, undisciplined, a-scientific or anti-scientific generalized religious conviction of an evolutionism?

6 posted on 01/20/2005 5:38:07 AM PST by sevry
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To: snarks_when_bored
>As anyone familiar with the existing evolutionary charts will know, a powerful, warm-blooded mammal has no business being found in the early Cretaceous strata, of about 130 million years ago
>>Every version of evolution of which I'm aware predicts that no fossil bones of a modern human will ever be discovered by digging into rock or sediment layers that are previously untouched by human activity and are older than, say, 50 million years

Your "principle" here
is dangerous. After all,
you might just as well

say theories "predict"
you won't find dinosaurs in
a mammal's stomach
.

Now they've found a case.
Oops. But no one's gonna junk
evolution. Now

they'll just tweak some dates.
An exactly similar
thing would occur if

somebody found bones
that were human-like in old
strata -- experts would

tweak some theory of
proto-human ape-like beings
older than we thought.

Evolution is
an outlook, not a theory --
its holders won't quit.

14 posted on 01/20/2005 3:13:04 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: snarks_when_bored
Should such a thing happen (and should it be shown that no hoax was involved), all current versions of evolution would immediately be falsified.

Don't be ridiculous. Evolution cannot be falsified. We thought it was falsified when no transitional creatures could be found. Nope. We thought it was falsified when the fossil record repudiated it. Nope. Instead, we got ridiculous "modifications" to the theory such as "punctuated equilibrium." Darwinism simply cannot be falsified, thereby proving it to be philosophy, not science.

And spare me your comebacks. If you say the fossil record supports evolution, you are either a fool or a liar. I've debated both and it is a waste of time.

27 posted on 01/20/2005 5:18:14 PM PST by Timmy
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