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To: VadeRetro
Surely you are not trying to tell me that those ape sculls you have pictured are transitionals? The link on post 200 is even worse. Please! Little has changed in 31 years except the imagination of evolutionist.

Another thing is I wasn't trying to provide a factual argument against evolution in my quote. Science isn't argued with dueling quotes, but it is argued with dueling idea's which should lead to the truth. Pure science looks at the data and seeks the truth. It seems some evolutionist declare the truth and then try and make the data fit. The fact is, and the point I was trying to make in my post, is that there are evolutionist that correctly observe and lament that the fossil record is an embarrassment to their theories. So in referring to your post 200, if you want to call me a liar for questioning the fossil record go ahead, just make sure and point a few fingers at any evolutionists that also question it.
566 posted on 01/28/2005 10:46:15 PM PST by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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To: ol painless
Surely you are not trying to tell me that those ape sculls you have pictured are transitionals?

This kind of comment betrays you up front as from the "You can't make me see" school of creationism. Well, that's practically all of you anyway.

Some of the skulls are unconstestedly human (except perhaps contested by you). The question is where do the apes stop and where do the humans begin?

Some interesting results have been arrived at already. In fact, we've pretty well established that while creationists will usually claim that one thing is "Just another kind of ape" and other thing is "Just another man within the allowable variations in kind," one creationist's "Ape! Just an ape!" will be another creationist's "Man! Just a man!"

Solid documentation of this phenomenon.

How can a "scientific discipline," especially one that claims apes and humans are fundamentally and obviously distinguishable from humans, be confused and give answers all over the map on what is an ape and what is a man?

Note that evolution actually predicted in advance that specimens--let's call them "transitionals"--should once have lived, specimens with a mix of features which would drive bin-lumpers crazy. Now in case after case after case we have found them, and Luddite naysayers are unhappily trying to ignore it all away or shift the question to, "But where are the transitionals between that one and that one and that one and that one and that one?"

But I digress. The main strategy is to draw a perfectly arbitrary line somewhere and pretend that it is uncrossable.

One particularly famous Young Earth Idiot named Duane Gish lumps one particular specimen based on a skull cap solidly into the "ape" bin, but another specimen of the same species (Homo erectus) which displays the exact same skull cap appearance into the "human" bin.

Java Man and Lake Turkana Boy.

This buffoonish science has nothing to teach us. You can't learn anything playing these kind of childish Lawyers and Liars games.

567 posted on 01/29/2005 9:27:28 AM PST by VadeRetro
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