[Laissez-faire capitalist]

I am not running away like a cowrd. What facts presented? I just wanted to have a debate on the validity of evolution. I just wanted to see some quotes that remotely even come close to proving evolution. Instead I get neither. What I get is cute remarks, cut downs and deafening silence by you pro-evolutionists here when it comes to providing ample, solid proof that absolutely proves that evolution is anything more than a hole-ridden theory.

Please defend evolution. Please prove that it is absolutely true and not just one of many hole-ridden theories.

[Michael_Michaelangelo]

Have you noticed they are becoming more rabid lately? Interesting.

[Dimensio]

What facts presented?

I pointed out that the two "example" quotes that the person who started this discussion provided are either out of context or not about evolution. I'd call it a fact that the two presented quotes were misrepresentations.

? I just wanted to have a debate on the validity of evolution.

Then we should start with facts, not out-of-context or irrelevant quotes. Citing the work of a physicist who says that he cannot understand how life emerged from non-life is not an honest criticism of evolution. It would be like attacking gravitational theory for not explaining the origin of all matter.

I just wanted to see some quotes that remotely even come close to proving evolution. Instead I get neither.

As has already been explained, science is not done through quotes and science is not about "proving". Science is about formulating the best explanation for collected data. To that end, scientists (biologists in particular) have come up with the theory of evolution and while a number of creationists have attempted to knock it down through misapplication of scientific principles that they apparently do not understand or even just dishonestly quote-mining scientists and presenting out-of-context statements, evolution has yet to be falsified.

What I get is cute remarks, cut downs and deafening silence by you pro-evolutionists here when it comes to providing ample, solid proof that absolutely proves that evolution is anything more than a hole-ridden theory.

When you actually have an argument against evolution that is based upon fact, let us know. Until then, the only response to the out of context quotes provided is an explanation that the creationist providing them is dishonestly misquoting scientists in an attempt to support their agenda through the use of lies.

Please prove that it is absolutely true and not just one of many hole-ridden theories.

No theory in science is "absolutely proven". Demanding that any theory -- evolution, gravity or atomic -- be "absolutely proven" implies either outright ignorance of science or brazen dishonesty of the highest order. As you have already been told that nothing in science is "absolutely proven", the fact that you continue to make this demand makes me strongly suspect that the implication for you is the latter, rather than the former.

[ml1954]

solid proof that absolutely proves

Please prove that it is absolutely true

Science doesn't deal in absolute truths or absolute proofs or absolute anythings.

[munchtipq]

The Theory of Evolution is not absolutely true. The theory of atoms is not absolutely true. The theory of heat exchange is not absolutely true. Absolutely true is not a term that should ever be used in a science education. If we can't teach anything in a science classroom that is not "absolutely true", we can't teach anything.

What the three theories I mentioned have in common:

- They are strongly supported by predicted observations.
- There are no alternative theories that are as strongly supported by predicted observations.

These two traits combine to make what is called a "scientific fact". That is not a fact in the logical sense of the word, but is in fact defined by just these two traits. When someone says "scientific fact", that's what they mean. Sometimes deep in a scientific conversation the word "scientific" might get dropped and they will just be referred to as "facts". Perhaps that is where some confusion comes from.

[e p1uribus unum]

Scientists can no more "prove" evolution than they can "prove" relativity, gravity or the germ theory of disease.

All of these theories will only be around until a better one is produced.

They can only be disproved by scientific evidence.

So far there is no scientific evidence to disprove evolution.

ID simply represents a failure of imagination; "I can't figure out where eyes evolved from and it's too hard to learn enough biology to look it up, so it must be ID"

True Creationism is an article of Faith and does not resort to false arguments.