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To: ValenB4
America is about freedom. That is what America is about, plain and simple. Always has been. Always? will be. Like the Freedom to be notified that evolution is an unproven theory. Surely you aren't against freedom? You would be if you weren't in favor of students being notified that evolution is an unproven theory.

Until you can explain how a teacher notifying students that evolution is an unproven theory is a lie, and tramples on a persons rights, then you have no case against students being notified that evolution is an unproven theory.

What you advocate is a system where students are kept in the dark, where students aren't notified that evolution is an unproven theory. You advocate a system where the teachers who don't want to notify students that evolution is an unproven theory get their way. Again, you advocate a system where the teachers, who for some reason don't want to notify the students that evolution is an unproven theory, get their way.

You talk about the pursuit of truth? If you were really concerned about the truth, then you would have no problem with the truth being told - that evolution is an unproven theory.

So you are evidently the one who cares nothing about the truth. I do though. That is evident. I want students to be notified about the truth. I want them to be notified about the truth that evolution is an unproven theory.

The theory o evolution is an unproven theory. That is why those scientists who can show the holes in evolutionary theory must have their voice heard in the classroom. To do any less would be to deny the students the WHOLE truth, which as i have previously shown in this post you are unconcerned with.

You say that I advocate forcing teachers and scvientists to teach something they do not believe in? Do teachers and scientists advocate students not being notified that evolution is an unproven theory? Then if so, they would advocate students not hearing the truth, as you obviously do.

If teachers and scientists think that the theory of evolution is more than an unproven theory then they lie to themselves, and how can they teach the truth when they are themselves deceived?

I am not calling for my feelings being advocated. I am not arrogant or presumptive. The presumptive and arrogant ones are the ones who don't want students to be notified that evolution is an unproven theory. This has nothing to do about feelings. It has to do with being told the whole truth, one of which is students being told that evolution is an unproven theory.

If teachers feel that evolution is not an unproven theory, that it is anything more than that than they have no business teaching in a biology class.

First you call me a muslim fundamentalist, now I'm a socialist. What next? A Democrat? Seeing you resort to name calling only shows your inherent desire to fall in line with those who repeatedly called Bush a fascist, a liar, etc...You are just like them.

No, a state worshiper would be the one who wants to keep the state enforced system of students not being notified that evolution is an unproven theory. You advocate that system. You are the state worshiper, not me. I advocate the exact opposite of what the 'state' currently mandates, and I desire a return of power over this issue back to the parents and students, which is as far from being a state worshiper as one can get.

Apparently you don't care about parents rights or students rights. Apparently you only care about those teachers and scientists who don't want students to be notified that evolution is an unproven theory.

The system we have now states that students must be taught the theory of evolution in the public schools without being notified that evolution is an unproven theory, so your system, by your own admission, would also advocate violence and the threat of violence.

Are you saying that the 'experts' in the field of evolution do not want to say that evolution is an unproven theory? Evidently you are. This would mean that the 'experts' don't care about the truth. They don't care about informing the students about the truth of evolution being an unproven theory. If they care not for the truth they have no business teaching, period.

The ill will that is being generated is from those teachers and scientists who don't want to notify students that evolution is an unproven theory.

You can bet on it, that when the parents of this country find out that the teachers who are objecting to notifying students of evolution being an unproven theory arevdoing so because they believe that the theory of evolution is more than an unproven theory, then we just might see a 'whole lotta shakin goin' on', as Jerry Lee would say.
535 posted on 01/20/2005 11:55:36 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; ValenB4

Is it your position is that evolution is an uproven theory, and that students should be told this?


536 posted on 01/20/2005 12:25:18 PM PST by atlaw
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