Posted on 01/18/2005 8:14:42 AM PST by veronica
The horror is that those we consider educated, normal human beings can become accustomed to, accepting of, approving of mass atrocities..We may not like his rationalizing his past, but his story is important for the deniers..He was not a prisoner but SS.
We always need to remember lest we ourselves repeat such atrocities.. while rationalizing it away as "necessary".
The same conspiracy theorists who claim that The Holocaust was a giant hoax, will now claim that the Jews have paid this guy to step forward and tell lies. Some people will do or say anything to make the world as they want it to be. Anything which doesn't conform to their view of the world is rigged.
I hope Gröning's interview is shown on American T.V. and I hope someone helps him write a book on his experiences - and soon!
>>>Even today, he believes that the experience he gained in the SS and Hitler Youth helped his career.
What does this part mean? Is Hitler Youth referring to some type of youth camp/groups?
This might be a little peripheral, but I have noticed quite a few stories lately about archaelogical excavations which indicate that early cultures were not composed of "sub-humans", but of modern humans with all the brain capacity and social/cultural aspects that we have, albeit in times of less complete scientific knowledge.
The articles always make the link that those cultures and societies are as well-developed as our own for the times - they were just like us.
The corollary, of course, is that we are just like them. The barbarism that often is characterized as being symptomatic of "olden times" is alive and well. Nothing illustrates this better than the Nazis.
Its sad that the Nazi's weren't the only example, or even the last example in recent history of "modern" humans descending into barbarism. Although sadly, like in many other things, we're a lot more efficient at it now than we used to be.
The Hitler Youth were a Nazi-sponsored youth group.
Many of them ended up on the front lines in the latter days of the war.
Do a Google search on it.
"Is Hitler Youth referring to some type of youth camp/groups?"
Yes - it was basically a large Nazi Boy Scout troop, where indoctrination into the Nazi Party and all its deranged beliefs took the place of earning merit badges.
This looks like a good site with a lot of links:
http://militaryhistory.about.com/cs/hitleryouth/
Yes, the Hitler Youth was the Nazi equivalent to the Boy Scouts.
>>>National Socialist Students' Union????
So this is SDS??? Or the Weathman???
Students for a Democratic Society and the Weatherman Underground Association
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1265828/posts
Hitler Youth Resource Page
Guide picks
Shortly after Hitler's rise to power in 1933, all German youth groups were merged into a single, regimented organization called Hitlerjugend, the Hitler Youth. Following the dictator's view that the youth of Germany would preserve the thousand year Reich, all children were heavily immersed in Nazi dogma from the age of 10.
Artur Axmann
Provides concise information on Artur Axmann, leader of the Hitler Youth.
Baldur von Schirach
In 1926 Schirach met Adolf Hitler who took a liking to him and advised him to move to Munich. Three years later Hitler appointed Schirach as head of the National Socialist Students' Union. Satisfied with his work Hitler promoted him to the post of Reich youth leader of the Nazi Party and in 1933 he took over the leadership of the Hitler Youth.
I think the Hitler Youth were like the Boy Scouts or something.
This man has some real courage, apparently born from years of experience that he unfortunately could not delve at his earlier age.
Youth is so gullible and easy to lead, while the older adults who have seen many years of life question and hold their opinions to themelves.
At least this man is now speaking up.
The deniers claim the Holocaust never took place, yet at the same time, they would be delighted to have another try at doing it again if they ever got back to power.
http://www.skycitygallery.com/japan/japan.html
The Other Holocaust :
Nanjing Massacre, Sex Slaves, Opium
WMD Unit 731, 100, 516, and Slavery
No indeed ..they were not the only ones..and the Japanese are still slower to face their past..
Some differences in the background stories:
Soros Bio Page
1)
Soros was born in Budapest, Hungary, on Aug. 12, 1930. His father, a Jewish attorney, provided the family and many others with false identity papers when the Germans invaded Hungary in March 1944. Unhappy with the Soviet occupation of his country after World War II, George left Hungary in 1947 and went to England, where he enrolled in the London School of Economics. There he learned about Karl Popper's theory that history is unpredictable and unfolds better in the democratic chaos of “open societies” than under totalitarian rulers who claim a monopoly on truth.
http://bear.cba.ufl.edu/karceski/FIN7447/ch%20papers/george%20soros.pdf
2)
Born in 1930 and given the name Dzjcgdhe Shorash, George Soros began life in a privileged Jewish family. His father Tividar was an attorney but worked only when he felt he really needed the extra money, which was not very frequently. To spend his time (and fortune) Tividar dabbled in real estate and published an Esperanto journal. However, this was not the life that Tividar was raised in. The good life came to Tividar only after a treacherous youth and marrying into wealth. As a lieutenant in World War I, he was taken to Siberia as a prisoner of war. He escaped, but for most of the Russian Revolution he was forced to live as a fugitive. It took some time before he was able to reenter society. The skills and instincts that Tividar learned during that time later saved his family and many others during the Nazi occupation of Hungary.
>>>As a lieutenant in World War I, he was taken to Siberia as a prisoner of war. He escaped, but for most of the Russian Revolution he was forced to live as a fugitive.
I admit. I've never been to Russia.
But, how easy is it to escape from Siberia?
Or was Dzjcgdhe Shorash aka George Soros actually a Nazi Boy Scout? Who, today funds MoveOn.org, SDS, Weathermen?
Hitler youth was an organization the took German chidren and brainwashed them. The boy scouts were disbanded and all young children attended Hitler youth meetings. Attendence wasn't required but there were penalties attached for those who didin't(parents got the penalties). Most of them broke the brainwashing after the war but some hung onto it through life. This was so strong that at the end of the war in Berlin, when the fighing was fierce, the Hitler youth, ages about 14, were in the front of the battle using pazer faust to attack Ruissian and American troops. One of Hitlers most outrageous legacies: Hitler youth.
that was his father who got out of Siberia, and I'm not that interested in getting history lessons from someone who says she never heard of the Hitler Youth (HItler-Jugend)
What is pazer faust?
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