Posted on 01/18/2005 4:04:36 AM PST by nickcarraway
Upstate NY would definitely be a red state.
I just seceded from my state and have formed a new state. I'll be sending my two senators, a mastiff and a mutt to represent me. Just send their salaries to me by direct deposit so I can buy them filet mignon instead of Kibbles n' Bits.
something must be done!
don't know if this is it, it would be good for the state but,
I'm not thrilled about 2 more dem senators.
I would go for it if Hillary and Chuckie would stay there and then we could elect 2 of our own.
It is a very good possibility we could be Red....
I disagree. If you remove NYC, then upstate NY becomes a very competitive battleground state, probably with just a slight Dem advantage. If you remove the NYC votes from New York State's 2004 totals, then Kerry would have edged Bush by only about 93,000 votes, taking 51.1% of the two-party vote.
With the NYC votes included, Kerry won New York State by more than 1.3 million votes, taking 59.3% of the two-party vote.
You're kidding, right? Whatever you might think of its politics, NYC is still the world capital of banking, finance and publishing.
What a 19th century view of economics.
Psycologically, by severing NYC from NY State, it would allow for much more conservative politicians to run in NY State. It would be a battleground state no question, but would become something between PA and OH.
No I'm not kidding. What we have here is an incomplete understanding of the difference between wealth transfer and wealth creation. Ignoring the earned insult to finnboy in post #65 look at the example of the imaginary fence. Wealth flows through NYC, but very little is actually created there.
Enlighten me then and tell me what you think are the 21st century ways to create (not transfer) wealth.
True, but I would support it, if they would allow us to split California into two states; The Coast all the way down to the San Diego County line being one state, and Central California and San Diego another state.
They get two new Senators, but the Republicans would pick up two new Senators as well.
Give em non-voting Senators like DC gets.
Maybe in the Legislature and Senate, because district-by-district, the State is predominately "red," but Erie, Monore, and Onondaga counties will stay "blue."
Frankly, without the NY city tax base (esp. Wall St.), upstate NY would be devastated. Without the City, Western NY''s fiscal crisis would be far deeper.
Brilliant insight--never thought of that. You are correct.
A better idea is to let NYC secede from the Union and become another beggar state. We don't need two more left wing senators. This might work well with Chicago too. Let them secede and take all of the crooked politicians with them. This would let Illinois become an honest state again.
Hey einstein, who said anything about creating an imaginary fence sealing off the city? Perhaps its time to up the meds.
NYC has not been a manufacturing powerhouse for decades, times changed and NYC is primarily a financial/buisness services based city. But to discount the creativity and efforts of those services in NYC that provide invaluable services to the rest of America and the world, is juvinile.
I also posted an example of one of NY's strongest wealth creation capabilities. Real estate. Tell me how many other locations create buildings (such as the Time Warner Center) that rise in value from $1 billion to $1.2 billion in one year? That's not wealth transfer, that's wealth creation.
Errr, how do you export them? For wealth creation you have to have more flowing back out across the fence than flow in. This is wealth transfer again not creation.
In addition to the three classics of agriculture, raw materials production, and manufacturing one might make an argument that banking/stocks/bonds - the whole financial industry creates wealth by organizing capital. However, this activity can easily be moved anywhere as for example offshore banks and the NASDQ.
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