MLK Day, 2005

Men's News Daily ^ | 17 January 2005 | Nicholas Stix

[bencarter]

and...?

[Grey Ghost II]

But white families are no model of virtue either.I will BET you the vast majority of"swingers",wife swappers and pedophiles are white,not black.

I agree. Just because immorality is widespread, we should not reward it.

[mudblood]

Wherever there are great men, there are lesser men lined up to take him down. On the one hand, James Earl Ray. On the other, yourself.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

I loathe this topic, every year.

We cannot undo the past, and I think MLK Day is here to stay. Why can't we use it as a day to remember how far we have come and leave it at that?

Without MLK and Rosa Parks, we may not have learned the lessons of the Civil Rights Movement. What is wrong with acknowledging the past and looking forward to the future?

What's with the divisiveness? Where does that get us?

[Riverman94610]

True,lets not reward bad behavior but lets judge King by his entire life,not focus on a personal failing.
To many people who hated King,he could have been the epitome of moral virtue and still fallen short because he was the prime mover in challenging a blatantly unjust social system,Jim Crow.

[television is just wrong]

Black Monday??

[television is just wrong]

The revisionists consider white people evil and all other ethnicities good.

[cyborg]

Don't know but I'm done posting on MLK threads.

[Grey Ghost II]

True,lets not reward bad behavior but lets judge King by his entire life,not focus on a personal failing.

Lying, stealing, cheating on his wife and commiserating with the enemy is enough for me. Other than that he seemed to organize lots of marches. Jesse Jackson does the same thing.

[television is just wrong]

All families are in bad shape. Regardless of race. Just some families manage in this insanity to keep it going. We are being taxed out of existance by a government that wants to help people becomes slaves to our system, by accepting welfare benefits.

We are losing our way of life. It is a shame when there is bigger pride in accepting a check from the government rather than going out and making the income yourself. It is becoming shameful to work for a living, because all we do is pay the bills for those who do not.

[Captain Kirk]

MLK openly supported Eisenhower in 1956. Now....if you are arguing that Ike was a commie too, I'd like to hear your reasons.

[Red Phillips]

Why is what has been going on here not "perfectly normal conversation." I respectfully submit that the majority of the the most vitriolic statements have come from the pro MLK crowd. And I would include you dropping the R word in that.

However, I do agree with you about one thing. I think "character assassination" is largely a distraction. The more important point is the one I tried to address above, the "civil rights movement." Many modern "conservatives" accept its virtue at face value. But is it really so clear that it has been positive? Most of the gains by blacks have been the result of changing societal values, not government intervention. While forcing blacks to set in the back of a bus, seems inconsistent with small government conservatism, assuming the bus was publicly operated, because it requires a law, the civil rights movement as a whole represented a HUGE expansion of government and Federal power. Is that something that small government conservatives should be celebrating? And if so why?

[bencarter]

I think all here would agree that government can't fix societies problems and it's the people who do. And MLK was the leader of that movement of people. I don't think the original post was a 'normal conversation' nor is all the mud slinging. I just calls em like I sees em.

[A Jovial Cad]

"and?"

Who're you trying to kid?

[bencarter]

nobody. Yourself?

[wardaddy]

Both of your posts got me to thinking...and googling about families:

The report also found that illegitimate-birth rates "vary considerably by race and Hispanic origin." The percentage of out-of-wedlock births for non-Hispanic whites is 21.9 percent, but for non-Hispanic blacks it's 69.3 percent. For Hispanics it's 41.6 percent, and for American Indians 59.3 percent. For Asians and Pacific Islanders overall the number is 15.6 percent, but this varies from 51.1 percent for Hawaiians to 6.4 percent and 9.7 percent for Chinese and Japanese Americans, respectively.

All of this is consistent with other recent data. Forty-five percent of black women managers or professionals have had an illegitimate child, compared to 3 percent of managerial or professional whites. Half of all births in New York City are illegitimate, and in some neighborhoods the proportion reaches 80 percent. A 1997 survey by the federal government found that the percentage of black high-school students who said they have had sex was 73 percent, versus 44 percent for whites and 52 percent for Hispanics.

But it hasn't always been this way. In 1940, the black illegitimacy rate was 19 percent, less than what it is for whites now.

Interesting I thought...from National Review

http://www.nyx.net/~jkalb/rants/illegitimacy.html

[wardaddy]

A Malcom X National Holiday would be much preferable, hands down.

Lord Have Mercy....and this what a supposedly Conservative forum has come to.

White guilt will be the end of all of us. Weakness beyond comprehension.

[A Jovial Cad]

"nobody"

I think we both know that that's a load of laughable hooey.

"Yourself?"

I'm not the one trolling under false pretenses through a forum that specifically says at the front door that it's run by AND for conservatives, now am I?

So, my original question still pertains: who're you trying to kid?

[bencarter]

Why? Because I don't think we should wish for a reverse of civil rights? You're right, what a whack job I am!

[A Jovial Cad]

You need to read my entire post, and not just cherry-pick the line that puts an itch in your britches.

"White guilt will be the end of all of us"

It's not "white guilt": it's liberal white guilt. And I'm happy to report that I don't have a speck of it.