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To: Sybeck1

Thanks for posting the article.

I have yet to see any of Hinn's defenders deal with any of the documented fabrications and frauds the man has engaged in.

Hinn's followers here seem to deflect the issue onto secondary matters and delight in dragging around red herrings.

The issue is not Hinduism; the Shriners; etc. Hinn may pass out Bibles and in spite of his heresy, the gospel, or at least elements of it, may be proclaimed. Scripture tells us that the Gospel can be advanced even by those with misguided or evil intentions. It doesn't mean Christians are called upon to support or defend such men.

Has Benny Hinn healed anyone? Where is the proof and independent verification? Hasn't he clearly lied about his 'healing' missions? What does the Bible tell us ought to be done with false prophets or those promoting false gospels? Hasn't he made outlandish claims that run counter to orthodox Christianity?

Evangelicals, Fundamentalist Christians, etc. all seem to take issue with Hinn. Not because Hinn is healing people, but precisely because he isn't. Hinn is making money off this crap and shattering people's hopes in the process of failing to bring healing to very hurting people.

Hinn brings reproach upon the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

In previous posts links to or copies of articles critical of Hinn have been posted from Christianity Today and The Door -- mainstream evangelical opinion rejects Hinn as a fraud and huckster.

Are any of his defenders willing to deal with that objective data or are we going to continue dancing around mulberry bushes on unrelated issues?


210 posted on 01/18/2005 8:09:37 AM PST by PresbyRev
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To: PresbyRev
From a Shriners web site -Members of the Ancient Arabic Order Nobles of the Mystic Shrine for North America are members of the Masonic Order and adhere to the principles of Freemasonry -- Brotherly Love, Relief and Truth.
http://ncmason.org/shriners.htm

the Shriners (formally known as The Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine) are a religion, a group of 500,000 North American men committed to revering a Supreme Being. To avoid scandalizing outsiders -- and because most Shriners are decent guys who honestly don't think they pose a threat to orthodox faiths -- they play down their religiosity. Still, spiritual overtones ooze from every corner of the Shriners' organization. To become a Shriner, a man must first become a member of the Freemasons, a centuries-old, 10-million member international fraternal order replete with unusual mystical rituals. It's often called "the world's largest secret society." The Shriners were formed in the 1870s by two theatrical New York Freemasons who became entranced with Arabic and Muslim lore.

They developed rites in which God is referred to by many names, including "Allah," "Father" and the "Grand Geometrician." Shriners have traditionally prayed by facing toward Mecca (the most holy city in Islam) and initiation ceremonies include the Bible, altars, holy titles and devotion to "the everlasting foundation of God-given law."

The blood oath of secrecy represents the most contentious display of religion in the Shriners.

the macabre punishment a Shriner agrees to if he ever transgress his obligations to the mystic Shrine: "In willful violation whereof may I incur the fearful penalty of having my eyeballs pierced to the centre with a three-edged blade, my feet flayed, and I be forced to walk the hot sands upon the sterile shores of the Red Sea until the flaming sun shall strike me with livid plague, and may Allah, the god of Arab, Moslem and Mohammedan, the god of our fathers, support me to the entire fulfillment of the same. Amen. Amen. Amen."
Conservative Christian groups, in addition, have often denounced the Freemasons and Shriners as an alternative religion, even though many Shriners are active Protestants.
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/shriner_spiritual.html

The Shriners
Allah's Islamic Cult Inside the Masonic Lodge

To most Americans, the Shriners are a wonderful organization. They see men wearing the strange "fez" hat and gleefully riding tiny motor scooters in parades. They see Shriners at circuses dressed as clowns, delighting youngsters. They hear of the boisterous Shriners conventions and are told of the charitable acts of this group--its burns hospitals and so forth. But there is a darker side to the Shriners, and Texe Marrs uncovers it in this revealing investigative expose. You'll learn that the Shriners are Knights Templar, 13th degree York Rite Masons or 32nd degree Scottish Rite Masons. You'll discover the hideous blood oath to a pagan deity taken by these men in a bizarre and occultic initiation rite. You'll discover also the meaning of The Shrine and the significance of the "fez" cap. You'll find out why the elements in the logo, or symbol, of the Shriners include an Arabic curved sword, upside down horns, a pentacle star, and an image of the ancient goddess of Egypt. This audiotape will enlighten you about what goes on behind the closed doors of the Shrine Temples. It will equip you with the knowledge and information you need to unmask this devilish organization and help men who are entrapped in its devilish clutches escape.
http://www.texemarrs.com/021998/shriners.htm


Freemasonry: A fraternal order revived in the early 18th century in England, loosely based on associations or guilds of stone cutters (“operative” masons). Freemasonry (“speculative” masons) sought to give philosophical, moral, or spiritual meaning to the lodge, tools, and oaths of the stone cutters. Branches of Freemasonry include the Blue Lodge, York Rite, Scottish Rite, and Shriners. Affiliated organizations include the Order of the Eastern Star (for women), the Order of DeMolay (for boys), and the Order of Rainbow (for girls). Most modern adherents maintain that the organization is not a religion but a club or fraternity promoting high moral values and good works. They believe, therefore, that Freemasonry is compatible with and supplements Christianity and other religions. Critics counter that Freemasonry involves secret blood oaths or curses, and that the writings of respected early leaders (Albert Mackey, Albert Pike, etc.) are replete with occult philosophy and religious doctrine contrary to Christianity. Despite Freemasonry’s promotion and funding of a number of worthwhile, philanthropic endeavors (free Shriner children hospitals, nursing homes, etc.), many Christian individuals and churches have condemned Freemasonry or warned of elements that they believe are contrary to Christianity. These churches include the Presbyterian Church of America, Southern Baptist Convention, Episcopal Church, Christian Reformed Church, Church of the Nazarene, and Lutheran Church (Missouri and Wisconsin Synods).
http://www.watchman.org/cat95.htm

Most Christians understand that the shriners are a cult and those involved need deliverance!
217 posted on 01/18/2005 9:27:29 AM PST by free_life
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To: PresbyRev
"I have yet to see any of Hinn's defenders deal with any of the documented fabrications and frauds the man has engaged in."

Well, given the sources of the sketchy, at best, documentation, how do you expect one to deal with it? Comments that are taken out of context do not make for good solid "proof" when making allegations against others.

Has Benny Hinn healed anyone?

No and I challenge you to show me proof that he has taken credit for healing anyone.

Where is the proof and independent verification?

I believe that there have been many "healed" people who have documentation from their physicians stating that their healing was of extraordinary means.

What does the bible say about slandering another brother? And, for the LAST time, HINN has NOT ever said that HE healed people. Again, what does the bible say about slandering another brother?

235 posted on 01/18/2005 1:10:38 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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