[af_vet_rr]

I'd actually be all in favor of us starting to withdraw right after the elections IF and only if, I thought it would finally force the Iraqi people to wake the hell up and realize that if they don't get their **** together, pretty soon we'll be gone and they'll be left with a bunch of radical Saudis and/or Iranians running the place.

The majority of Iraqis would not want radical Saudis or Iranians running the place, but unfortunately they don't care enough to really do something about it. That means we'll be stuck there for a few more years until we've done what the Iraqis should have been doing during the past year - knocking off the insurgents.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should pull out, this is the most important war we've fought since Korea, and many here could make the argument it's even more important. What we do in Iraq determines how stable and calm the Middle East will be 20 years from now.

[Grey Ghost II]

What we do in Iraq determines how stable and calm the Middle East will be 20 years from now.

Do you really think free elections in Iraq will convert all Muslims? Do you think the US Constitution will replace the Koran? These people hate us - always have, always will. As long a Israel and Muslims are both in the Middle East, nothing will change.