Unbelievable! Graner is a scapegoat for all the higher-ups who gave the orders for Abu Ghraib.
This could never have happened without the slavering liberal media and its bias. Mary Mapes was the architect of the whole thing.I hope the bitch rots in hell someday.
Torture is the Bataan Death March. Torture is standing naked Jews out in an icy prison yard in subzero temperatures for hours. Torture is tossing Chinese babies in the air and catching them on Japanese bayonets while the mothers wail in agony. Torture is Oliver Cromwell hanging young Irish mothers from trees, and hanging their toddlers tied in the mothers' hair.
Torture is NOT humiliating Saddam'a Palace Guard, which routinely raped young schoolgirls, shredded young men to bits, and tossed old folks in the river. Torture is NOT panties on the head and fake electrical wires. Torture is NOT a frat house pyramid.
Graner should have been given a few medals, instead of this excessive and unjust punishment.
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Nor without a weak-kneed politically correct response!
There were no higher ups that gave orders to make naked prisoner pyramids. Anyone who knows anything about today's Army officers or military intelligence could tell you that. That line is an asinine assertation spun from whole cloth by desperate soldiers facing severe punishment, gladly abbetted by the slavering liberal media.
This could never have happened without the slavering liberal media and its bias. Mary Mapes was the architect of the whole thing.
Blame the people who took pictures of themselves breaking the law.
Torture is the Bataan Death March. Torture is...
This isn't torture, despite what the media calls it. Graner violated a number of Army regulations, and is being punished. That's how good order and discipline are maintained. The media may be obsessing over torture, but the military is focusing on adherence to policy.
Graner should have been given a few medals, instead of this excessive and unjust punishment.
Medals for what? Breaking the law? Embarassing his unit and branch of service? Making a joke out of America, and laying a cloud of suspicion over our motives and methods in Iraq?
Had Graner been a German when the Nazi party came to power, I have no doubt that he would have been among the first to don a brown shirt and jackboots.
His mentality is identical to the mentality of those who perpetrated all of the horrors you mentioned.
More to the point though, he's a criminal and deserves to pay for his crimes.
Nobody is ever above the law. That is one of the founding principles of modern Western civilization.
Repeat. Nobody is EVER above the law.
To say that he should be given a medal is disgusting.
(Sorry for the double post, I screwed up my html in the first one and didn't bother to preview it. My mistake!)
By that definition, none of our POWs in Vietnam or North Korea were ever tortured. Tell that to the vets who were there. I'm sure they would disagree.
And interesting is your description here: "Torture is standing naked Jews out in an icy prison yard in subzero temperatures for hours." It sounds a lot like the abuse that went on at Abu Ghraib:
"H could not see what went on inside the interrogation room but she could hear the screams and some of the questions asked during the interrogations. Whenever interrogators brought in a new prisoner, they would always bring in a block of ice. She did not know why they brought the ice or how they used it during interrogation. But the interrogation sessions always included the ice block and were followed, a few hours later, by a visit to the prisoner, who by then would be unconscious, by two doctors, an American and an Iraqi. The prisoners were invariably taken out of the interrogation room unconscious."So was that torture or not?