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William F. Buckley, Jr.: Thinking Out Iraq ... To withdraw, or not?
National Review Online ^ | January 14, 2005 | William F. Buckley, Jr.

Posted on 01/14/2005 11:43:22 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy

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To paraphrase, we accomplish a directer display, day by day, of our resolve against those who rule by fear, for they are the greatest threat.
1 posted on 01/14/2005 11:43:22 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: NutCrackerBoy
I misspoke. Did not mean to imply that my statement was a paraphrase of Buckley's in the sense of meaning the same thing.

I meant I was using similar phrasing to say something altogether different.

2 posted on 01/14/2005 11:51:07 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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Considering the overall War on Terrorism with the terrorists being entirely of "the Religion of Peace" stripe, it would be disastrous to cut and run now. The Muslim yahoos would take that as a huge green light. Bush invited them to "bring it on" and they have. We can fight them there, now, or here, later.
3 posted on 01/14/2005 11:54:05 PM PST by xJones
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tergiversation \tuhr-jiv-uhr-SAY-shuhn\, noun:
1. The act of practicing evasion or of being deliberately ambiguous.
2. The act of abandoning a party or cause.

I had to look it up.


4 posted on 01/14/2005 11:57:56 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Civilization is an enormous improvement on the lack thereof. (O'Rourke))
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Coordinate with the Israelis and sweep through syria - down the coas t of the Med - sweep them all into the sea. Take the Saudi oil fields and cut off supplies of petrol to France Germany and China. Then appoint me emperor.


5 posted on 01/14/2005 11:59:31 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: NutCrackerBoy

BTTT

Did you have to crack the dictionary for tergiversation? I did.

The Sunnis and their supporters have to be made to realize that the alternative is that they will have a rump state after a civil war. The Kurds and the Shia Arabs will each have their own states with oil. The Sunnis may have their own state, but they won't have oil.


6 posted on 01/15/2005 12:05:45 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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I had to look it up.

Online dictionaries are the cat's pajamas. Those and imdb.

7 posted on 01/15/2005 12:07:48 AM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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Coordinate with the Israelis and sweep through syria - down the coas t of the Med - sweep them all into the sea. Take the Saudi oil fields and cut off supplies of petrol to France Germany and China. Then appoint me emperor.

If I do all the work, why do you get to be emperor?:)

8 posted on 01/15/2005 12:15:24 AM PST by xJones
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Well, we'll see if we can get you some help. What are the Hessians up to nowadays?


9 posted on 01/15/2005 12:24:45 AM PST by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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We can fight them there, now, or here, later.

I agree. But worst case that would become moot if chaos reigned. Are our efforts towards Iraq self-governance bootless?

I think the best way to approach Iraq-doubts is to stipulate that in hindsight there very well could have been an alternative, considerably more effective, approach to the War on Terror than the Iraq invasion the way it was done. Perhaps this whatever would have that benefit of, in your words, "fighting them somewhere, now, rather than here, later," and something that would transform the Middle East. Every great achievement such as defeating Fascism and Communism was fraught with setbacks, but also plans that were made stubbornly to succeed.

10 posted on 01/15/2005 12:25:05 AM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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Ping for later reading.


11 posted on 01/15/2005 1:11:11 AM PST by bd476 (God Bless those in harm's way and bring peace to those who have lost loved ones today.)
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We can fight them there, now, or here, later.

Or we can fight them there from here

12 posted on 01/15/2005 1:15:13 AM PST by jaykay
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Agree with you 100%. The weak don't get it. If we can't bring these people into civilization, we have to destroy them all.

You can't live in peace with someone who wants to slit your children's throats.


13 posted on 01/15/2005 1:15:43 AM PST by Joe_October (Saddam supported Terrorists. Al Qaeda are Terrorists. I can't find the link.)
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At a point in 1961, President Charles de Gaulle reasoned that the French government had done as much as could reasonably be expected of it to enforce the sovereignty of the French state and guarantee the safe survival of its citizens in Algeria.

Oh sure, let's follow the French model.

Such considerations argue in the abstract for seeing it through in Iraq. But they do not advise us when the moment should come to say that honor has to give way to a recognition that success is not in sight and not at any point in the future predictable.

George W. Bush could have slammed Saddam Hussein down in Gitmo, walked away from Iraq, and called it a victory. But that would have left Zarqawi, former Baathists, and Muqtada Al Sadr to fight it out. Hundreds of thousands would have died in a civil war that would most likely end up with the radical jihadists in control (since they are the most ruthless in their claims of being "true muslims"). Bush's strategy for Iraq is the right one. Stand up a government that represents the majority with a voice for minorities and help that government restore order.
14 posted on 01/15/2005 2:53:23 AM PST by advance_copy
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Without the body and the mind, as all men know, the Nation could not live.

But if the spirit of America were killed, even though the Nation's body and mind, constricted in an alien world, lived on, the America we know would have perished.

That spirit -- that faith -- speaks to us in our daily lives in ways often unnoticed, because they seem so obvious. It speaks to us here in the Capital of the Nation. It speaks to us through the processes of governing in the sovereignties of 48 States. It speaks to us in our counties, in our cities, in our towns, and in our villages. It speaks to us from the other nations of the hemisphere, and from those across the seas -- the enslaved, as well as the free. Sometimes we fail to hear or heed these voices of freedom because to us the privilege of our freedom is such an old, old story.

The destiny of America was proclaimed in words of prophecy spoken by our first President in his first inaugural in 1789 -- words almost directed, it would seem, to this year of 1941: "The preservation of the sacred fire of liberty and the destiny of the republican model of government are justly considered deeply, finally, staked on the experiment intrusted to the hands of the American people."

If we lose that sacred fire--if we let it be smothered with doubt and fear -- then we shall reject the destiny which Washington strove so valiantly and so triumphantly to establish. The preservation of the spirit and faith of the Nation does, and will, furnish the highest justification for every sacrifice that we may make in the cause of national defense.

In the face of great perils never before encountered, our strong purpose is to protect and to perpetuate the integrity of democracy.

For this we muster the spirit of America, and the faith of America.

We do not retreat. We are not content to stand still. As Americans, we go forward, in the service of our country, by the will of God.

FDR,1941 Inaugural address.

15 posted on 01/15/2005 5:42:35 AM PST by marty60
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The War on Terror is not complete. Particularly, Syria and Iran remain havens of support for world terrorism. (Perhaps the Sudan and Somalia?)

In any case, THE issue with World Terrorism is state support. If we remove all state support, then the terrorists will always be in fear of the knock on the door and will have no place to rest, plan, operate.

Therefore, Iraq was a necessary step. The end of our presence in Iraq could be as simple as declaring it has gone on as far as we've deemed fit to take it, or it could be as difficult as saying we need to get everyone in Iraq thinking in the patterns of western democracies.

I'm in favor of the end-certain being defined by our need to act elsewhere in the war on terror. That would mean a fledgling government in place in Iraq....as early as 6 months from now. But to leave Syria and Iran intact on the border of Iraq is to leave the war on terror incomplete.


16 posted on 01/15/2005 5:52:03 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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Stretch... The Old Geezer here.

Thanks buddy, for posting the defination.... I thought about it myself as I never heard the word before, and thought I would do it when I got off this page.... but being the old geezer I am, I probably would have forgotten to, and it would have been relagated to that part of my brian controlled by 'AL' (Al as in Altheimers)


17 posted on 01/15/2005 6:20:01 AM PST by Stretch (Rats, skunks, bugs and other vermin protect their babies; Liberals kill theirs)
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Well, I am glad I could help you out.


18 posted on 01/15/2005 6:23:26 AM PST by Jet Jaguar (Civilization is an enormous improvement on the lack thereof. (O'Rourke))
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btt


19 posted on 01/15/2005 6:25:05 AM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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I don't know if we ever tame the wild ass (Ishmael) of Islam short of eliminating Mecca/Medina. Our efforts may be futile in Iraq but I know that if we bug out in Iraq, China will move in with Iraq and try to control MidEast oil flows. Russia is also salivating, both can provide a nuclear umbrella to Iran for it do as it pleases. Which would be to dictate oil prices and establish surcharges on customers they want to screw


20 posted on 01/15/2005 7:03:51 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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