Posted on 01/14/2005 8:30:19 PM PST by neverdem
I wonder what the current Chinese Navy aircraft carrier count is right now. Any changes circa 26Dec04???..inquiring tin-foiled minds want to know.....
NY Times assessment; Navy declines answer; Me too! PING!
U.S.S. San Francisco preparing to dock at Apra Harbor
posted Jan 10, 2005.
We have this:
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To: BigSkyFreeper
The crazy thing about the topography of the ocean floor in that area is that the seamounts of the Caroline Ridge (which the sub supposedly hit) are very near to the Marianas Trench -- the deepest spot on Earth...
My guess is that our undersea topographic mapping in this area is not too good.
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Introduction
Fig.1: Location map of the Yap Trench. The contour interval is 2,000 m. The box shows the survey area as shown in Fig.3. The distribution of earthquake hypocenters are represented by solid black symbols: Circles = source depth shallower than 50 km, Diamonds = 50-100 km, Crosses = deeper than 100 km. Global hypocentral data from ISC since 1980. |
Fig.2: Bathymetric map of the circumambient regions of the Yap Trench. The contour interval is 500 m. The bathymetric data are based on the global bathymetry of ETOPO5 (NGDC, 1988). The star symbol shows the pole position of Philippine Sea - Caroline plates estimated by Seno et al. (1993). The solid black symbols show hypocentral distribution. See Figure 1 caption. |
The length of the Yap Trench is about 700 km (Fig. 2). The trench axis elongates in a convex shape toward the southeast. An arc involving the Yap Island on the Philippine Sea Plate side forms a trench-arc system. This arc consists primarily of metamorphic rocks and lacks active volcanism (Shiraki, 1971; Hawkins and Batiza, 1977). The arc-type rocks found on the islands are no younger than Late Oligocene or Miocene. The distance between the island-arc and the trench axis is about 50 km, which is much less than that of other trench-arc systems. The Caroline Ridge, oriented in an ESE-WNW direction, intersects the trench from the east. This ridge consists of a chain of seamounts thought to be of hotspot origin (Keating et al., 1984) of less than 40 m.y. (Hegarty and Weissel, 1988). Seismicity along the trench is low. Earthquakes occur at a depth of less than 50 km, and no deep-focus earthquakes are apparent along the trench. A Wadati-Benioff zone, demonstrated by a plane of deep-focus earthquakes reflecting dynamic interaction between a subducting and an overriding plates, is thus not defined. Considering the above geological and geophysical features, the Yap Trench is controversial regarding the activity of plate subduction at present. Hawkins and Batiza (1977) and McCabe and Uyeda (1983) suggested that subduction at the Yap Trench may have suspended by collision of the Caroline Ridge. McCabe and Uyeda (1983) suggested that the Caroline Ridge collided with the Yap Trench in early Miocene, and that this collision made the volcanic activity in the Yap Arc stop, and narrowing the distance between arc and trench. In contrast, some petrological and geophysical studies suggested that subduction at the trench may still be active. Fresh volcanic rock fragments and hydrothermally affected rocks, dredged in the back-arc region, may suggest in-situ or nearby hydrothermal activity in relation to Quaternary volcanic activity (Fujioka et al., 1986). High heat flow values were observed in the back-arc region and appreciably large values of negative free-air gravity anomalies were observed along the trench axis (Nagihara et al., 1989). Large negative gravity anomaly is indicative of dynamic force exerted on crust under the trench associated with ongoing subduction of the oceanic lithosphere. Observation of micro-seismic activity in the trench area suggested that tectonic force, found in active subduction zones, acted on the crust of the trench (Sato et al., 1997). |
Prior to our study, there were insufficient data for understanding the tectonics and geodynamics of the Yap Trench. We conducted swath bathymetry and gravity surveys of the Yap Trench aboard the R/V Yokosuka in 1993, 1994 and 1996, in combination with dive surveys of the research submersible Shinkai 6500 (Fujioka et al., 1994, 1996). We hope that our study stimulates further geological and geophysical studies in this region, focused on morphotectonic characteristics, by providing a high quality base map, and that it will provide insight into the tectonics of the Yap Trench, the Philippine Sea Plate and the circum-plates. Diagrams : |
Bathymetric map of the circumambient regions of the Yap Trench. The contour interval is 500 m. The bathymetric data are based on the global bathymetry of ETOPO5 (NGDC, 1988). The star symbol shows the pole position of Philippine Sea - Caroline plates estimated by Seno et al. (1993). The solid black symbols show hypocentral distribution. See Figure 1 caption.
Survey ship tracks in the region of the Yap Trench. The solid, gray and dashed lines show the tracks from the Y95-06, Y96-12, and Y93-03 cruises of the R/V Yokosuka, respectively. The dotted lines show the tracks of the KH92-1 cruise of the R/V Hakuho-maru. The area surveyed by Iwabuchi et al. (1990) aboard the S/V Takuyo is stippled.
Looks like this survey was concerned aout mapping the deep trench areas..
No interest in the Seamount areas.
Not to mention that nasty Communications office in the Chinese Embassay that just happened to always chatter prior and after enemy calls for fire, just happening to be in our errantly mapped location,...damn,..just damn...
See post #23.
hindsight is ALWAYS 20-20 NYT-dumbasses!
If you KNOW the exact location of a feature, it is a simple task to look over photos/scans for that one exact spot.
See #23 , I don't think Satellite technology is upto charting the deep.
But former submarine captains said Navy investigators were likely to examine whether it had been prudent to travel at such a high speed, 30 knots, given the age and spottiness of the information."
Unfortunately, the Navy tradition is to be very harsh with a Captain who ship is endangered or damaged his ship, almost regardless of the circumstances.
Remember the skipper of the Indiana was steaming through the Pacific when torpedoed by a Japanese sub. There was a question about whether the ship was properly zig-zagging while under the command of a junior officer. Although most of his men stepped forward to testify for the Captain, he was court-martialed.
And the Captain of the intelligence ship Pueblo was sent into waters near N. Korea without any armed escort--but he took the blame when his ship was captured.
It is always nice to have a scapegoat - isn't it!
For anyone who has ever done cartography - the United States has the most accurate maps of anywhere on this earth - more accurate than enyone else can even dream of!
I see we have plenty of "progressive" thinkers on here to spread a little hate and discontent about our country.
Sorry, but I beg to disagree.
He was court-martialed, and deservedly so, not for getting caught but for not scuttling the ship and not destroying the electronics onboard instead of letting it fall into N. Korean hands.
The electronics that the N. Koreans got was devastating to us. It took years to recover.
Actually, the Maps didn't show he gaps correctly.
I know radars and probably all sonars are incapable of very deep penetration but I just think that radar or sonar would be able to at least indicate the depth down to say 1,000 feet. This would at least provide adequate information for commercial and Naval operations.
BTTT
The links in #23 are defunct. You're bad. Go to bed. That's enough FReeping for you. /sarcasm
Hmm. I don't know. Subs have ben zipping around there for over 60 years. Could be more to the story.
Who of us knows what happend.
Some of my favorite sub sights
NAVSOURCE SUBMARINE PHOTO ARCHIVES
http://www.navsource.org/archives/subidx.htm
SSN-711 San Francisco
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08711.htm
Submarine Fleet-Diesel and Nuclear Submarine Homepages
http://www.rontini.com/fleet.html
THE USS HALIBUT SSGN/SSN 587 AND THE NEW SSGN's GANGWAY PAGE
http://users.erols.com/marelk/
USS Halibut Veteran's Association Web Page
http://users.erols.com/marelk/USS%20Halibut%20Vets.htm
Are you a submariner?
No but I have operated on two conventional subs on short shakedown type deployments (1 day each) and was in the Navy as an E-5 (See my profile) :-)
I agree, Sal. Do I know you?
Ping!
I don't recognize your nick but that doesn't say much as I can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning. :-)
The years have taken their toll. :-)
Strange, but I can remember things from 40 years ago in very intimate detail as if they had happened yesterday but very little recent stuff.
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