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To: Melas; All

Let's pretend . . .

You and 50 of your closest atheist friends are supported by the puppet masters in setting up a Mars colony. Pretend that it's been going for 25 years better and better.

Pretend that you have founded it fairly strictly and forthrightly on atheistic principles and values. However, in a token bow to charity toward all and malice toward none, you put a provision in the constitution allowing for freedom of belief and protection of minority Christians who might happen along later--protection from their being unduely mangled in the courts and daily functioning of society in any heavy-handed, life threatening or seriously limiting ways.

Pretend that after 25 years . . . over a span of 5-10 years, a handful of Christians succeeds in getting Mars courts based on that token protection thing to start overturning the atheistic values of the colony. And now, freedoms of expression, predominant, standard holiday expressions and other stalwart foundational principles of the society are put not only at risk but squashed by successive court rulings. The athesitic majority are seething with outrage at the wholesale undermining of the foundation of the Mars colony society. Yet the courts via skillful political moves on the part of powerful Christian minority folks are wave after wave overturning the very foundation of the Mars colony society.

HOW WOULD YOU FEEL AND WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO DO?




Like it or not, the USA WAS FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES IN BEHALF, ESSENTIALLY, OF FREE EXPRESSION OF INDIVIDUAL CHRISTIAN IDEALS AND VALUES.

The secular atheists priests of the RELIGION OF SCIENCE and of the RELIGION OF SECULARISM are wholesale trashing and undermining and destroying that foundation.

If they are so intent on remaking society in their image, let them go to societies founded on those principles. Christians came here to found the USA ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES AND VALUES.

The fact that we were generous hearted toward all was not meant as a camel nose in the tent to destroy the tent.


124 posted on 01/15/2005 12:58:36 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix

Wow, sounds like a bunch of christian radicals out to change the national motto of the Mars colony....Oh wait, that happened in the USA, in 1954.


139 posted on 01/15/2005 1:31:34 PM PST by Melas
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To: Quix
The secular atheists priests of the RELIGION OF SCIENCE and of the RELIGION OF SECULARISM are wholesale trashing and undermining and destroying that foundation.

The secularism doesn't surprise me. Many theists see themselves of stalwart champions of virtue and enemies of secular thought.

What intrigues me about the text I quoted, is your above board contempt for science. Now, I've always thought that certain christians held science in contemp, and have since Copernicus, but you're the first I've actually known to come right out and display it.

What is it exactly you have against science?

144 posted on 01/15/2005 1:36:31 PM PST by Melas
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To: Quix
Quix wrote:

Like it or not, the USA WAS FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES IN BEHALF, ESSENTIALLY, OF FREE EXPRESSION OF INDIVIDUAL CHRISTIAN IDEALS AND VALUES.






Like it or not, the USA was founded on the principle that all men have inalienable rights to life, liberty, and property, under due process of Constitutional law.

Our Constitution makes that principle quite clear, and only mentions religion in a generic sense. There is no specific reference to "CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES" or "INDIVIDUAL CHRISTIAN IDEALS AND VALUES".
148 posted on 01/15/2005 2:19:09 PM PST by jonestown ( Tolerance for intolerance is not tolerance at all. It's appeasement)
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To: Quix
Ah, lets see what U.S. law adopted by our founding fathers had to say about this. But I won't ask you to leave the country.

TREATY OF PEACE AND FRIENDSHIP BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE BEY AND SUBJECTS OF TRIPOLI OF BARBARY

Treaty signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796, and at Algiers January 3, 1797.

Senate advice and consent to ratification June 7, 1797.,

Ratified by the President of the United States June 10, 1797.

Entered into force June 10, 1797.

Proclaimed by the President of the United States June 10, 1797

ARTICLE 11

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, - and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

158 posted on 01/15/2005 2:59:55 PM PST by jackbob
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