Posted on 01/14/2005 2:19:11 PM PST by Las Vegas Dave
Exactly. If one views the lights in the sky as time machines from our own distant future, one does less violence to physics than if one assumes they are ET's that have come from hundreds of light years away.
I don't believe it. For starters, these modern astrophysical theories don't explain how the little green guys get possibly here from across billions and billions of miles of space.
That's the operative phrase of course. Sometimes our knowledge gets better.
It was scientific enough to draw federal funds into the SETI project. It's based upon counting billions of stars and trying to figure out which ones are the most likely to harbor intelligent life. The sample base is in the trillions.
Here's a sampling of the controversy:
The chances of getting accidentally synthesized left amino acids for one small protein molecule is one chance in 10^210. That is a number with 210 zeros after it! Such probabilities are indeed impossibilities. The number is so vast as to be totally out of the question.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/addendaB.html
Hubert Yockey's article "Self Organization Origin of Life Scenarios and Information Theory" in Journal of Theoretical Biology 91 (1981) pp. 13-31 (this is an extension of work done by him in 1977 in vol. 67 of the same journal). The objective of his paper is not to prove special creation (he actually rejects such theories as useless), but to argue that alien life is so improbable that we ought to shift science to draw talent and funding away from projects like SETI and into "research on the origin of life." In his own abstract, he presents his conclusion as "belief in little green men in outer space is purely religious not scientific." But his assumptions are as faulty as those made by creationists, although his approach is much more sophisticated--and above all, he does not generate any actual estimates of probability. He tries to argue that only 10^5 arrangements of a protein 100 amino acids long, out of a total possible 1.26 x 10^130 arrangements, are of concern to biology, if we assume a 4-bit code. Though he does not state this explicitly, this means the odds against life starting, if it had to start with just such a protein, would be 1 in 10^125.
LOL!
Extraterrestrial conscious beings with greatly advanced technology may have seeded planets throughout most galaxies....
Or they may not have.
If they're here, they most likely didn't make it in tin-lizzy vehicles that reflect light and hence cannot exceed its velocity. Thus most likely, they're not here.
Haven't these idiots seen Men in Black? It's all there, for everyone to see.
I find it much more plausible there is life out there than we are all alone.
Remember, at one time everyone swore the Earth was flat.
I think they've gone to other branes and bulk dimensions LOL - this brane we're on is too boring.
Yes, but it would be more in keeping with the general tenets of science to speculate what aliens could be zooming around after figuring out if it is even theoretically possible.
If nothing - NOT A DAMN THING among all the waves and/or particles in the universe has ever been seen to travel (convey information, strictly speaking) faster than light, it is no more than wishful thinking to posit that alien spacecraft can. One might as well say they could shrink and expand at will, or change the atoms they are made of.
Thanks much. I bet the naysayers have shown up pontificating with great haughtiness within the first 12 posts--certainly within the first 25.
Thanks.
I didn't double check with you that you'd gotten the last several additions. Should I send you the whole list or have you kept up?
But not as much fun. :)
Ahhhh, perhaps within 5 posts!
A kindly, one, however. Thanks.
Ditto and amen to your list, Fighter. It's not whether these things exist, but from whence they came. Have you read any of Chuck Missler's books on this topic? Great food for thought. I've long thought there were simply too many UFO sightings for all of them to be a hoax, but there were aspects I'd never considered until I started reading up on them from Missler and other sharp Christians. They go into great detail on some details that tend to get lost in the secular discussion of UFOs, such as the way these craft so often behave contrary to the laws of physics.
BTW, if anyone encounters a ghost, the first thing you wanna do is ask him a question or two about who Jesus is. :-)
MM
Ahhhh--within 10 posts. At least not quite so shrill and caustic as is common.
Thanks for that.
Does that mean you won't be sending me a dollar?
THE RELIGION OF SCIENCE
is often not very scientific.
Try publishing outside the religious dogma!
Even attempt it in some universities! And your bags may well be packed for you.
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