Police Worried About New Vest-Penetrating Gun

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[genew]

Guns don't penetrate bullet-proof vests, bullets do.

[ijcr]

what vest wiill NOT be defeated by a "28mm bullet"?!

28 millimeters = 1.1023622 inches is this pistol shoulder fired?

[Brilliant]

There is a limit to the right to bear arms. Maybe you'd argue that the Second Amendment includes the right to own an a-bomb?

Here's the bottom line. If you want to win the battle against gun control, you've got to agree to some reasonable limit. You've got to carefully choose your battles.

Personally, I don't see much redeeming value for a gun that is designed specifically to penetrate a bulletproof vest. You might make the argument that criminals use bulletproof vests, but it seems far less likely that this gun would be used to defend against a criminal with a bulletproof vest than to shoot a cop with a bulletproof vest. Of course, I'm not an expert on that, but I'm willing to leave that decision to the legislature.

[kimber]

Wake up! 44 Magnum, 454 Casull and 500 Smith&Wesson are all hand guns. All will knock a man off his feet, go through the vest and take out whatever maybe in the bullets path. Vest means nothing, only to the average firearm.

[Redbob]

"What is the name of the company that would be so irresponsible as to manufacture such a weapon?"

By "such a weapon," do you mean one that fires a vest-penetrating round?

If so, here are a few names (in addition to the one plainly given in the post - FN):
S&W
Colt
Winchester
Marlin
Ruger
Dan Wesson
Taurus

Need I continue?

[BudgieRamone]

Guess I'll have to buy one of these now.


Despite what it says on the FN website, these are available for civilian sales. I'll leave it to interested parties to search out the distributor.

I think this whole thing is a bunch of garbage. Sort of a "kill it before it grows" thing. From the bits and pieces of what I have read this could be a heck of a varmint buster--in a handgun. Also small light rifles chambered for this round might be nice for 'yotes, prarie rats and other sorts of vermin. The fact that it has police/military applications is just gravy for some 2nd Amendment types.

Those of you who think this is so terrible ought to check out the 7.62 X 25 and an offshoot called the .223 Timbs-- CZ-52 pistols sell for about $99 wholesale plus you can get them with a curio and relic license and they are perfectly capable of punching a vest...

anyway JM2B

[Dead Corpse]

That is case length. Not diameter. The 5.7mm is the bullet diameter.

[mbynack]

this firearm is NOT being marketed to the public

The FN Site says it's only available for LE and Military, but they're now available to anyone with about $850 who can pass a background check (and doesn't live in NY city, Washington DC, Chicago, etc.)

I was thinking about buying one, but they're too underpowered. I'll stick with my 45 ACPG lock 30.

[katana]

Where did they get that? 28 mm is about a 1.10 inch diameter bullet!

[spetznaz]

Now THAT is something we can both agree on. Sweet. LOL.

One question though: Just how durable is it?

[Dead Corpse]

The .500 would probably punch your trauma plate right into your body cavity. May not penetrate, but it won't do you any good as the shock transfer alone would turn your guts to jelly.

[Dead Corpse]

There is a limit to the right to bear arms. Maybe you'd argue that the Second Amendment includes the right to own an a-bomb?

What is it with you gun grabbers? You always trot out the lamest argument as an excuse to restrict other types of arms. Can't y'all come up with something that HASN'T been refuted a thousand times?

[trebb]

Yes - even the 10mm was touted as being able to go through both sides of a vest with a person wearing it.

[AdamSelene235]

There is a limit to the right to bear arms. Maybe you'd argue that the Second Amendment includes the right to own an a-bomb?

Why not

Here's the bottom line. If you want to win the battle against gun control, you've got to agree to some reasonable limit. You've got to carefully choose your battles.

Yeah, the battle you've chosen involves banning all rifles and most handguns.

[Atlas Sneezed]

We have concelled carry in MO and it drives my brother crazy (he's a state trooper), says that he has to treat everyone as armed.

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Since when do we set policy and compromise liberties based on what gives certain government employees the willies?

If he prefers not to served an armed populace, he should try a police state.

I am wary of anyone who wants to be the only armed person present.

And why would he worry about people who have passed a tougher background check than any of his colleagues? Has a cop EVER been shot (wrongfully) by a CCW holder?

[Mr. Mojo]

Personally, I don't see much redeeming value for a gun that is designed specifically to penetrate a bulletproof vest.

No centerfire rifle was designed specifically to fire bullets that have vest-penetration ability, but all of them have the ability to do so. ....unmodified. ALL of them.

Considering that fact, would you ban all rifles?

[Dead Corpse]

I'm saving up my pennies for an EAA Witness in 10mm.

[Servant of the 9]

We have concelled carry in MO and it drives my brother crazy (he's a state trooper), says that he has to treat everyone as armed.

My son is a cop, and I can promise you any cop that has ever wanted to live has always treated everyone as armed.

I believe even the new rimfire .17HMR plinking round will penetrate a CAT II vest. It's velocity, not bullet weight that does it.

You would have to outlaw all guns to stop the sale of new vest busters, and that would do nothing to the black market.

SO9

[Future Snake Eater]

My version of gun control is hitting what you aim at.

What a nice, trite, NRA-style PR statement. Now, do you actually agree with the 2nd Amendment or don't you?

[Hardastarboard]

Not busting your chops at all, but even if I were a state trooper in a non-concealed carry state, I would regard everyone as armed until I know otherwise. To do otherwise is incredibly foolish.