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To: MikeEdwards
While I loathe the practice of abortion and believe it should be illegal for all with perhaps the exception of saving the life of the mother and criminal rape*, I disagree with your argument for why it is allowed.

I believe that abortion is a product of the Hippy ideal of no consequences. It is about being able to decide that one does not want the inconvenience of carrying the child that one created through a choice for nine months before giving it up for adoption.

* Criminal Rape: Forcible rape, which consists of less than 1% of all rape in America. The chances of a pregnancy occurring from criminal rape is very small, due to the fact that forcible rape does great damage to the woman's reproductive system. The remaining 99% is Statutory Rape, where one partner is not of the legal age of consent but is still an agreeing party to the sexual act. Keep in mind that the feminist statistics stating that "A woman is raped every 90 seconds in America" includes both criminal and statutory rape. Also keep in mind that 80-85% of statutory rape consists of a relationship where the two parties are less than four years apart, often an 18-year old high school senior and his 15-year old freshman girlfriend.
2 posted on 01/14/2005 9:55:30 AM PST by Calvarys_Soldier ("If there is a pile of excrement, the Democrats will find a way to step in it." -Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Calvarys_Soldier

I agree it is a way for them to ultimately not take responsilbity for their actions (although there is always a price to pay, most realize this after the fact (having the abortion). I also believe that it is also about money for the clinics like Planned Parenthood and greedy doctors with no ethics. Just my thoughts.


3 posted on 01/14/2005 10:09:59 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Calvarys_Soldier
Criminal Rape: Forcible rape, which consists of less than 1% of all rape in America.

1%? Where did you get that from? I saw a statistic that in 2001, there were a little over 3,000 reported forcible rapes in New York State. Are You saying that there were roughly 300,000 statutory rapes in New York that year?
6 posted on 01/14/2005 10:51:35 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: Calvarys_Soldier
*Criminal Rape: Forcible rape, which consists of less than 1% of all rape in America. The chances of a pregnancy occurring from criminal rape is very small, due to the fact that forcible rape does great damage to the woman's reproductive system. The remaining 99% is Statutory Rape, where one partner is not of the legal age of consent but is still an agreeing party to the sexual act.

Do you have a source for these statistics? I find them very dubious.

10 posted on 01/14/2005 3:39:04 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Calvarys_Soldier

Why the rape exception?

If you believe the fetus is a child then how can you justify killing it?


16 posted on 01/15/2005 5:07:44 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: Calvarys_Soldier

I think you are right. There aren't about 1.4 million abortons a year in the USA because it is legal. It is legal because there are 1.4 million abortions a year.

I am pro life but the pro life movement's tactics have been a disaster since the early 1970s. They lost the Roe battle and have lost almost every major battle since.

I have consistently advocated that pro life attention should be in the publicity and persuasion sphere, rather than the legal one.

Hearts and minds were changed in one direction, they can be changed again, though it won't be easy. The truth is that most americans clearly don't mind having abortions legal, even if they find the practice anywhere from distasetful to immoral.

The pro life movement should concentrate on changing minds, as well as being on the right side of the abortion issues in 2005 (parental notification for minors, partial birth abortion, etc) - there is a broad consensus to build on in these positions.

Pro lifers who continue fighting the 1973 battle do more harm that good to the movement. They can't cope with the fact that they lost that battle, and almost continuouisly dropped the ball ever since. Deep denial, clearly. The leadership needs to be replaced and the tactics updated.

The 1973 gameplan failed then and it will continue to fail now.


26 posted on 01/15/2005 9:01:37 PM PST by HitmanLV (HitmanNY has a brand new Blog!! Please Visit! - http://www.goldust.com/weblog -)
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To: Calvarys_Soldier

To be clear, while I agree with your idea that the abortion culture stems from a no-consequence mindset, I don't agree with your 1%/99% analysis of forcible rape statistics.

I have no idea where you got that stuff, and it just looks very wrong to me.


27 posted on 01/15/2005 9:03:40 PM PST by HitmanLV (HitmanNY has a brand new Blog!! Please Visit! - http://www.goldust.com/weblog -)
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