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To: Owl558; GOP_1900AD
Likewise it was far cooler 400 years ago than is "normal". Samuel Champlain's accounts of what is now the Champlain Valley describe snow on mountain tops in June. Something never seen today. Cortez's account of events around what is today Mexico City include references to frost covered ground in the mornings.

Temps change always have, always will.

Ice Ages & Astronomical Causes
Brief Introduction to the History of Climate
by Richard A. Muller

Origin of the 100 kyr Glacial Cycle

Figure 1-1 Global warming source NOAA

 

Figure 1-2 Climate of the last 2400 years, source "GISP2"

 

 

Figure 1-3 Climate of the last 12,000 years, source "GISP2"

Figure 1-4 Climate of the last 100,000 years, source Greenland ice data

 

Figure 1-5 Climate for the last 420 kyr, from Vostok ice data

 

http://newton.ex.ac.uk/aip/physnews.252.html#1

INTERPLANETARY DUST PARTICLES (IDPs) are deposited on the Earth at the rate of about 10,000 tons per year. Does this have any effect on climate? Scientists at Caltech have found that ancient samples of helium-3 (coming mostly from IDPs) in oceanic sediments exhibit a 100,000-year periodicity. The researchers assert that their data, taken along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, support a recently enunciated idea that Earth's orbital inclination varies with a 100-kyr period; this notion in turn had been broached as an explanation for a similar periodicity in the succession of ice ages. (K.A. Farley and D.B. Patterson, Nature, 7 December 1995.)
Farley & Patterson 1998, http://www.elsevier.com/gej-ng/10/20/36/33/37/32/abstract.html
Farley http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~farley/
Farley http://www.elsevier.nl/gej-ng/10/18/23/54/21/49/abstract.html

 

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/pr96/dec96/noaa96-78.html

ABRUPT CLIMATE CHANGE DURING LAST GLACIAL PERIOD COULD BE TIED TO DUST-INDUCED REGIONAL WARMING

Preliminary new evidence suggests that periodic increases in atmospheric dust concentrations during the glacial periods of the last 100,000 years may have resulted in significant regional warming, and that this warming may have triggered the abrupt climatic changes observed in paleoclimate records, according to a scientist at the Commerce Department's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Current scientific thinking is that the dust concentrations contributed to global cooling.

 

Here Comes the Sun

"Carbon dioxide, the main culprit in the alleged greenhouse-gas warming, is not a "driver" of climate change at all. Indeed, in earlier research Jan Veizer, of the University of Ottawa and one of the co-authors of the GSA Today article, established that rather than forcing climate change, CO2 levels actually lag behind climatic temperatures, suggesting that global warming may cause carbon dioxide rather than the other way around."

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"Veizer and Shaviv's greatest contribution is their time scale. They have examined the relationship of cosmic rays, solar activity and CO2, and climate change going back through thousands of major and minor coolings and warmings. They found a strong -- very strong -- correlation between cosmic rays, solar activity and climate change, but almost none between carbon dioxide and global temperature increases."


51 posted on 01/13/2005 8:32:21 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

You are a top notch FReeper Straight Vermonter. Thanks for the material.


53 posted on 01/13/2005 9:30:26 PM PST by Owl558 (Please excuse my poor spelling)
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To: Straight Vermonter
In regards to your link Here Comes the Sun, you may want to check out some of the comments on Veizer and Shaviv's work. Here is a good one to start with: Reply to V & S
64 posted on 01/14/2005 7:04:21 AM PST by Yelling
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To: Straight Vermonter
(World Data Center for Paleoclimatology)

Climate changes through the centuries mapped by trees are a fascinating study and likely, the most accurate.

65 posted on 01/14/2005 10:29:12 AM PST by yoe (John Kerry, the Quintessential looser - the embodiment of arrogance and stupidity!)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Thanks... what is GISP2 data? What data points/proxies were used to get that temp data?


69 posted on 01/14/2005 4:06:39 PM PST by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Here's another chart of US temperature data from NOAA ...

Where's the hockey stick?

84 posted on 01/15/2005 12:45:09 PM PST by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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