[spetznaz]

Once again you are willing to attack my sources as being tainted, even when i quote the president's own words as well as the CDC. Yet you are willing to use renegade (and yes, they are renegade) scientists who are thought of as outliers by the vast majority of the scientific community. Oh, and you say there are 'hundreds' of them (a very general terms, although i am surprised you did not say 'thousands'). There are many more who believe HIV causes AIDS for every one of your 'hundreds.' And some of the renegade scientists (at least the ones you could actually name and did not fall under your funny 'hundreds' umbrella) have won awards. Well, scientific awards are not only limited to them. There are many more award winning scientists who adhere to the HIV-AIDS link.

But the funniest thing is how you can say the CDC is playing political games and president Bush is not telling the turh, yet you have the temerity to give links to people who are generally considered to be burn-outs by the greater scientific community. That is chutzpah.

Anyways, as i said i know you will not change what you believe. And there is nothing wrong in that. You have the right to believe HIV doesn't cause AIDS and people are merely being killed by malaria and malnutrition. My posts were actually aimed at those who would read both my comments, and yours, and make up their own minds.

And again, i doubt many of them will accept the words of renegade scientists as gospel truth and discount what the vast majority of the scientific community (as well as president Bush and the CDC) believe. I gave my links, you gave your links, i answered your questions, you asked more questions without answering any of mine, i posted my thoughts, and you posted yours.

That is all i have to say.

[AdamSelene235]

Once again you are willing to attack my sources as being tainted, even when i quote the president's own words as well as the CDC. Yet you are willing to use renegade (and yes, they are renegade) scientists who are thought of as outliers by the vast majority of the scientific community.

The problem is that I find the statements made by the so-called renegades to be more self-consistent than the statements made by the mainstream.

Again, this is not a democracy. The majority of the world's population probably thinks heavier objects fall faster than light ones.

I've been a researcher long enough to know that the consensus us and the literature is often if not usually wrong.

You have the right to believe HIV doesn't cause AIDS and people are merely being killed by malaria and malnutrition

Again, this isn't a matter of rights or majority rule. I'd just like somebody to show the me the original paper that shows how HIV causes AIDS.

THERE IS NO SUCH PAPER.

I've been looking for a long time. Look at first, I thought Duesberg et. al. were NUTS. But the more I dug into the literature, the more frustrated I became. The HIV literature fails to address the dissenters points. The best of the literature simply raises bigger questions without establishing how HIV causes AIDS.

I met Dr. Rasnick at a conference a few years ago. I believe he is acting in good faith and his arguments make sense. After all, he started out trying to develop HIV drugs. I'd like to see his questions answered.