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ALLAH or JESUS
Rick Mathes | Rick Mathes

Posted on 01/13/2005 5:23:53 AM PST by garylmoore

The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!!!

Allah or Jesus? by Rick Mathes

Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their belief systems

I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.

After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.

When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"

There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!"

I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"

The __expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr.Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!"

The Imam was speechless.

I continued, "I also have problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with me?" You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.

Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim's beliefs.

I think everyone in the US should be required to read this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized. Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts.

This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well known leader in prison ministry.


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1 posted on 01/13/2005 5:23:53 AM PST by garylmoore
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To: garylmoore

JESUS is the way.


2 posted on 01/13/2005 5:25:05 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: garylmoore
About time somebody posted the truth in plain english.
3 posted on 01/13/2005 5:29:02 AM PST by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: garylmoore
Christians must become aggressive. There is much to proselytize.

This anecdote demonstrates a very important difference between Christianity and Islam, and Christians should be spreading the Word throughout the world with the zeal of an exploding supernova!

We need aggressive missionaries in every place that is under threat of Islam.

4 posted on 01/13/2005 5:30:12 AM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President George W. Bush!)
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To: bmwcyle

I guess I'm dead meat...if I don't fight back.


5 posted on 01/13/2005 5:30:58 AM PST by Dallas59 ("A weak peace is worse than war" - Tacitcus)
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To: garylmoore

Jesus is Lord.


6 posted on 01/13/2005 5:31:06 AM PST by Manic_Episode (I don't lose my composure in a high speed chase)
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To: bmwcyle
Hoax?
7 posted on 01/13/2005 5:32:12 AM PST by dsmatuska
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To: Dallas59

If you are a Christian you can fight but death for a Christian is just an extension of life. Fight to protect you family but be ready to meet Jesus.


8 posted on 01/13/2005 5:32:52 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: garylmoore

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_allah_or_jesus.htm


"Comments: The above text, circulating via email since September 2003, was written by Rick Mathes, executive director of Mission Gate Prison Ministry in Chesterfield, Missouri. In subsequent statements on the ministry's Website, Mathes affirmed that the incident took place exactly as described.

However, a different version of events was reported in an article by Greg Kearney of the Lee News Service, in which a spokesperson for the Missouri Department of Corrections, which sponsored the training session, stated that the "imam" Mathes refers to above was a prison inmate and ordinary Muslim, not a trained cleric, and that although the inmate did answer various questions about his faith to the best of his ability, the issues of jihad and violence against non-believers were neither raised nor discussed during the exchange.

It is therefore a case of Mathes' word against the prison official's. I have not been able to find public statements by anyone else in a position to confirm the facts... "


9 posted on 01/13/2005 5:33:18 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: dsmatuska

Hoax or just a good question?


10 posted on 01/13/2005 5:34:16 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: bmwcyle
JESUS is the way.

Jesus is the ONLY way.

11 posted on 01/13/2005 5:35:26 AM PST by scooter2
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To: garylmoore

Good post. All sorts of thoughts and comments on this:


http://snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp
Claim: Imam is questioned about Islamic attitude toward infidels.

Status: Undetermined.

Example: [Mathes, 2003]

Then, a comment from Mathes' website (scroll down):

http://www.charityadvantage.com/missiongateministry/Editorials.asp
"Reader responds to Snopes:"


And a "chain letter" website:
http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/rickmathes.html




12 posted on 01/13/2005 5:36:15 AM PST by Maria S
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To: dsmatuska

You're right to do the question-mark. I go to Snopes a lot; but this writeup seems a bit tendentious, editorializing, and naive.

Having said that, I also am leery about the original story. Sounds like too many stories that don't quite stand the test.

And having said THAT, it still makes a valid point. But you could — and should! — make the same point, without making up a story.

Dan


13 posted on 01/13/2005 5:37:58 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: garylmoore
Good for Rick!

I always think of those great things to say on my drive home. ;o)

14 posted on 01/13/2005 5:44:19 AM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: bmwcyle

Follow a dead "saviour" (Mohammed) and you'll end up just like him. Follow a living Saviour (Jesus), and you'll end up like Him.


15 posted on 01/13/2005 5:46:26 AM PST by griz74
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To: bmwcyle

That's it in a nut shell.


16 posted on 01/13/2005 5:48:09 AM PST by Dallas59 ("A weak peace is worse than war" - Tacitcus)
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To: garylmoore
And what better place to recruit thug killers than in the joint.....
Take a bunch of young men in their physical prime....who are angry and violent and then channel that anger and violence in a way that makes them feel 'righteous' about who they victimize...

It goes against that little voice God put in all humans called a conscience...That nagging voice that says it is wrong to hurt the innocent.

You have to have lots of anger and a personal philosophy that makes you feel righteous in actions that override that conscience...Greed and gang loyalty only go so far....(though the imagined 'racism' of an out group works well -Jesse and Al are millionaires thanks to it)

The liberals of the current race baiting socialist types have done a great job...thanks to the music industry and Hollywood of providing such conscience searing rationales for kids...but they just cant go as far as they like without the risk of being censored...

Not to mention that for the sake of what Satan really wants is dead Christians and Jews...

And racism as a hate fuel still divides the killers against each other...Satan needs a world view
in which many races and people are bound together despite race and full of the self righteous
hate necessary to kill Jews and Christians and other infidels with impunity...(other advantages the raping torture and theft of the out groups children wives and possessions)

Islam can go right into the prison system and directly recruit as it is protected hate speech.

There is a reason the crescent moon and five pointed star appear on the flags of Islamic nations...these are the signs of Ishtar-Isis Baal-Satan (an interestingly enough the idol Ishtar stands guarding NY harbor..disguised as Lady 'Liberty'..same goddess as Isis-Ishtar..right from old Babylon to New Babylon)

The religion of ancient Babylon...spread throughout the middle east...Egypt to Greece to Rome
the demonic deities were assigned their own different names as all objects do in the varying languages of different cultures...Apple Apfel same object...different words...

Mohammed admitted to being possessed by demons...and under demonic influence when writing his Koran...but he gave the hearts of the young men of his day what they needed in order to kill others to take what they desired and feel good about doing it...

Diversity....Tolerance....Equality....and having abandoned the God of our Founding Fathers is going to tear America right out from under us...as the very same abandonment tore Israel out from under her people throughout her history...

And it has always been the very same demonic worship that infected the people of God that caused God to turn his back and give them up to the consequences of their sins...

There is NOTHING new under the sun.

Thou shalt have NO other God before me...Commandment numero uno....

imo

17 posted on 01/13/2005 5:48:32 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: garylmoore

The word ALLAH translates to LUCIFER, SATAN, DEVIL or EVIL, take your pick.


18 posted on 01/13/2005 5:49:30 AM PST by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: dsmatuska
From the link you provided, a statement from Mr. Mathes:

This article is an exact recording of a real event that I participated in. My only commentary was, "the truth will prevail." I think this meeting was in May 2003 and I will not give out more details for fear of retribution. The purpose of the class was to increase "religious sensitivity", that is, tolerance for each others beliefs and I really blew that. The director was purple with rage however the Imam and I exchanged signs and said "Salaam" which means "peace" in Arabic (I hope). I questioned him (Imam) really to get a clear refutation of what is commonly thought of this Jihad nonsense. But apparently he wasn't educated enough to rebut my remarks or by his silence on this matter (I think) concurred with my implied conclusions. In either case I was surprised. And when I said I found it hard to be his friend, everyone laughed out loud. So the mood was an amazing mix of those who were interested like me and others that were just amused by the whole thing. I left the matter open on purpose (the truth will prevail) so that either side could speak up and claim the truth as their own.

Apparently the core of the exchange is true.

19 posted on 01/13/2005 5:51:45 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: garylmoore
I think everyone in the US should be required to read this,

Most people in America are not overly bright and would not understand what the problem is. In other words, Homer Simpson lives.

20 posted on 01/13/2005 5:55:52 AM PST by swampfox98 (Michael Reagan: "It's time to stop the flood.")
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