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US guard unit defies rule on filming of soldiers' coffins
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| 01/13/05
Posted on 01/13/2005 4:24:59 AM PST by Ellesu
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To: Ellesu
"What we thought was, we're going to do what the family asked us to do."I thought I heard that the ban on news crews filming coffins was out of respect for the families. If all the families whose children were in those coffins wanted the news crew there, then it would seem appropriate.
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posted on
01/13/2005 5:47:39 AM PST
by
MEGoody
(Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
To: MEGoody
If this was done at the request of ALL the families involved then it certainly seems the right thing to do, Pentagon policy be damned.
The LOOOOISIANAH NA'NAL GOORD isn't really accountable to the Pentagon. They are accountable to the State Adjutant General, their governor and the people of Louisiana.
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posted on
01/13/2005 5:52:42 AM PST
by
IGOTMINE
(Say a prayer for the common foot soldier...)
To: Alberta's Child
One of these days a National Guard officer is going to get some REAL b@lls . . . and have CBS film the arrival of coffins adorned with state flags at these bases -- with no U.S. flag in sight.Exactly what statement do you feel this would this make? Elaborate.
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posted on
01/13/2005 5:55:52 AM PST
by
niteowl77
(Socialist: someone who can't find his ass despite using other peoples' hands in addition to his own.)
To: edskid
Exactly what statement do you feel this would this make? Elaborate. It would make the statement that the soldiers in question were members of the Louisiana National Guard.
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posted on
01/13/2005 5:59:00 AM PST
by
Alberta's Child
(It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
To: Alberta's Child
That would seem to be self evident.
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posted on
01/13/2005 6:02:35 AM PST
by
niteowl77
(Socialist: someone who can't find his ass despite using other peoples' hands in addition to his own.)
To: Dog
And Pete who was it that turned the film of this ceremony over to the main stream media? The mainstream media was there at the request of the soldier's families. And I'd bet the Pete enjoys a long and honorable career with the Louisiana Guard.
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posted on
01/13/2005 6:04:43 AM PST
by
Non-Sequitur
(Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
To: edskid
Casualties from the U.S. Army, Navy, etc. are brought home in coffins draped in U.S. flags, right? And yet nobody ever considers that their service to the United States is "self-evident," right?
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posted on
01/13/2005 6:06:15 AM PST
by
Alberta's Child
(It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
To: rdb3
Lt. Col. Schneider deserves a dishonorable discharge immediately. As spokesman for an organization that decided to honor the request of the family over the request of the Pentagon? Whoever made the decision deserves a medal.
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posted on
01/13/2005 6:06:20 AM PST
by
Non-Sequitur
(Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
To: Non-Sequitur
Whoever made the decision deserves a medal.No, he should have his ass handed to him on a silver platter. Soldiers are not free moral agents.
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posted on
01/13/2005 6:12:58 AM PST
by
rdb3
(Real men don't whine. It's 2005 and everyone's gonna feel it this year.)
To: rdb3
No, he should have his ass handed to him on a silver platter. Soldiers are not free moral agents. Why does the sight of soldiers who have given the ultimate sacrifice being honored bother you so?
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posted on
01/13/2005 6:15:15 AM PST
by
Non-Sequitur
(Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
To: Alberta's Child
Casualties from the U.S. Army, Navy, etc. are brought home in coffins draped in U.S. flags, right? And yet nobody ever considers that their service to the United States is "self-evident," right?Obviously, your anger and logic are on far higher planes than I can comprehend.
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posted on
01/13/2005 6:25:56 AM PST
by
niteowl77
(Socialist: someone who can't find his ass despite using other peoples' hands in addition to his own.)
To: edskid
OK, whatever.
It would seem to me that a soldier who serves in a National Guard unit is making a conscious decision to serve his state. He could just as easily serve in the U.S. Army Reserves, couldn't he?
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posted on
01/13/2005 6:30:20 AM PST
by
Alberta's Child
(It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
To: Non-Sequitur
Why does the sight of soldiers who have given the ultimate sacrifice being honored bother you so?Did I say that it bothered me? Don't ever put words in my mouth.
What gets me is how thus far, it has not been allowed to have a media fest with returning coffins of our dead soliders like they had with those coffins coming back from Vietnam. I think that was a good idea.
What this light colonel did was pure hubris. Strip him down to an E1 and give him the boot.
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posted on
01/13/2005 6:37:41 AM PST
by
rdb3
(Real men don't whine. It's 2005 and everyone's gonna feel it this year.)
To: rdb3
What this light colonel did was pure hubris. Strip him down to an E1 and give him the boot. For what? For doing his job as spokesperson for the Louisiana Guard? Nowhere in the article does it say that he is the one who approved respecting the family's wishes and allowing the press to film the return. And regardless of who ordered it, what grounds would you have for punishing them? For respecting the wishes of the families? Because it might embarass Dubya in some way? Nonsense. They violated no order, they're looking out for their troops. I wish more people felt the same way.
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posted on
01/13/2005 6:48:03 AM PST
by
Non-Sequitur
(Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
To: Alberta's Child
Are you an American?
All National Guard units are part of the US armed forces.
Would you like to divie them down to the city?
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posted on
01/13/2005 7:00:17 AM PST
by
bill1952
("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
To: Alberta's Child
Why anyone would pick the Guard over the Reserves is known only to themselves or those with whom they choose to share information. I know of one soldier who made the shortest drive to an armory his main consideration.
My son enlisted in the Iowa Army Guard before 9/11/01, and he volunteered for duty in Iraq in 2003 (actually changing units to do so)- on enlisting, he was already aware that the Guard had been "federalized" decades ago, and that active duty would put him under federal auspices ("Uncle Sam totally owns my ass").
The national flag has been good enough for the veterans in this family since 1776. If another family wished to drape a casket with their state flag, I would consider it inappropriate, but I would not quibble about it unless the act was obviously meant to be a blatant political statement to undermine the mission... if an officer simply took it upon himself to use the state flag for whatever reason, then I would consider his "balls" (your words) subject to removal.
And I don't say that lightly.
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posted on
01/13/2005 7:02:43 AM PST
by
niteowl77
(Socialist: someone who can't find his ass despite using other peoples' hands in addition to his own.)
To: Alberta's Child
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posted on
01/13/2005 7:03:03 AM PST
by
bill1952
("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
To: bill1952
Would you like to divie them down to the city? They're already doing that here in New York, where a couple of NYC firefighters were listed among the casualties in Iraq from December. I don't have a problem with that, do you?
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posted on
01/13/2005 7:04:22 AM PST
by
Alberta's Child
(It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
To: IGOTMINE
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posted on
01/13/2005 7:06:45 AM PST
by
Ellesu
To: edskid
Even when National Guard troops are "federalized" under a Presidential call-up, the State Area Commands (STARCs), the state National Guard Bureaus, and the Adjutants General are responsible for the readiness of nonfederalized units but do not report to the U.S. Department of Defense.
The two-star generals who command the state National Guards report to the governors, not the Defense Department. The Adjutants General are not required to meet any military service or education requirements of active duty military personnel.
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posted on
01/13/2005 7:11:36 AM PST
by
Alberta's Child
(It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
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