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To: little jeremiah
The Jewish people had the most ineffective opposition to any military action during World War 2 than any other ethnic groups in history. Stop acting like it didn't happen.

The uprising in Poland could have happened in many other places if there had been enough Jewish people to step up. Which there wasn't.

The fact is that most Jewish people didn't do a damn thing to help win WW2! Jews did less than any other group, with their numbers, than has any group I can think of recently.

Even the Israelis don't do enough. Maybe it's our governments fault but the the world must start doing what we should. ..
18 posted on 01/12/2005 6:19:47 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (PRESSURE BUSH TO CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Sorry, jews might have been able to help more with the war effort if they weren't stuck in concentration camps at the time. Dearest apologies.


22 posted on 01/12/2005 6:27:56 PM PST by bananarepublican23
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Have you read much history? I certainly have read less than many people on FR, but even I know that in Germany Jews had been repressed for years, tormented for years, denied basic rights for years. And most important, been denied the right to arm themselves for years.

If someone is torn apart by a vicious dog, do you criticize the victim or the dog?

Maybe many Jews just couldn't imagine how bad things would get, that the Nazis would be such inhuman beasts. And maybe other countries didn't step in to help sooner. When people want to do evil, they are often possessed of very great power, determination, and strength. If someone cannot fight hard enough against the evil to survive, are they to be condemned?

I don't think so. We are here on earth to help one another, not condemn those who suffered and died.


29 posted on 01/12/2005 6:46:06 PM PST by little jeremiah (The "Gay Agenda" exists only in the minds of little jeremiah and his cohort. - Modern Man)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

You're missing the most obvious tool Hitler had: starvation.

The Nazis controlled all sources of food. People only revolt when they feel they have nothing to lose, but years before that point, the Germans starved the Jews so that they had no energy, no hope, only the effort to make it to the next rationed meal.

The Germans played off the Jews' hopes well. Everything was couched in lies that led people to believe they were essential workers, they would be protected, if only they cooperated. This is human nature. The starving will go where there is food if they're told their labor is valuable. The Holocaust was fundamentally irrational. How do you live without hope?

The Jews had no weapons to fight back, no strength, no money. If they escaped a ghetto, they had nowhere to go. The peasants were as much under the thumb of the Germans as they were, and few were looking to hide people on their farm, giving them food and shelter and getting nothing in return but the possibility of a firing squad.

Look, it's a good rule of thumb for history that if you look back at a people and say all of their decisions were STUPID or COWARDLY, that maybe you don't understand the circumstances under which their decisions were made. The sad truth of the Holocaust is that the victims were all humans, all ordinary people, just like you and me. All we have over them is hindsight. In extremis, you have no way of knowing how you'd have behaved.


33 posted on 01/12/2005 6:59:23 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
Stop embarrassing yourself and this forum.

Take a couple of weeks and do a general study of the Jewish people during WWII. The one thing you will learn is they did not have a country or leadership during WWII. In Europe there was no place for him to hide except for a few brave people willing to hide them.
44 posted on 01/12/2005 7:46:14 PM PST by Popman
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
"The fact is that most Jewish people didn't do a damn thing to help win WW2!"

Why don't you envisualize yourself standing in line to get de-loused, naked, your family members standing naked at your side, without a weapon, and completely terror-stricken, knowing that you are minutes away from a gas chamber.

"Well, I think I'll find me a gun and get the hell outta here."

Its easy for you to say what should have been done after 60 years of hindsight.

My advice to you would be to shut up. You are really making an anti-semitic ass-fool of yourself to others on this board.

45 posted on 01/12/2005 7:48:37 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
Even the Israelis don't do enough. Maybe it's our governments fault but the the world must start doing what we should. ..

I don't know if I can really blame them any more. Look at history. Whenever Israel wins a war, world sentiment turns against her. Remember in 1973, when Israel was attacked, and they beat back the Egyptians and Syrians, capturing a huge number of Egyptian troops, and pressing into Egypt, across the Suez canal, and Israeli tanks were less than 50 miles from Damascus, Syria. It was only then that the UN stepped in to "stop the war." Israel didn't want to stop, but was pressured by the US, since the USSR threatened to get directly involved if Israel didn't stop.

Israel is afraid to use the sort of force needed to put an end to the nonsense that's going on there because of the way the rest of the world would react.

Mark

51 posted on 01/12/2005 8:40:26 PM PST by MarkL (That which does not kill me, has made the last mistake it will ever make!)
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