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One thing is for sure: No criminal will ever break into Hale DeMar's home again.

How can they state the last sentence with certainty?


1 posted on 01/12/2005 7:28:43 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Lott credits the report for pointing out the obvious: Criminals who use guns to break laws will break laws to use guns

Is that such a difficult concept!!!!!

2 posted on 01/12/2005 7:34:18 AM PST by logic ("All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing......")
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To: neverdem

The anti-gun people are not going to surrender their moral high ground just because of a few facts. No matter how much their position is undermined by these pernicious findings, they are right and they know they are.

But the real agenda was never the control or reduction of crime. The disarming of the civilian population is the singular goal they are pursuing, and with the civilians disarmed, the resistance factor is decidedly much lower.


3 posted on 01/12/2005 7:37:26 AM PST by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: bang_list

Bang


4 posted on 01/12/2005 7:51:41 AM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: neverdem
>The 328-page report by the National Academy of Sciences is based on 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, a survey of 80 gun-control laws and some of its own independent study. It could find no evidence to support the conclusion that government restrictions on firearms reduces gun crime, gun violence and gun accidents

Oh. Wonderful. Now
we have the global warming
people on our side . . .

6 posted on 01/12/2005 7:56:02 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: neverdem; alloysteel
This is good to have out in the public view, as it discredits one of the major points of the gun control/ban crowd. However, the RKBA is an inalienable right - it doesn't matter if there is some benefit in terms of lowering street crime from having guns or not, just as it doesn't matter whether a gun has a "sporting use" or not. The 2nd Amendment could be repealed and the RKBA would still exist - inalienable means just that.

But the real agenda was never the control or reduction of crime. The disarming of the civilian population is the singular goal they are pursuing, and with the civilians disarmed, the resistance factor is decidedly much lower.

Anyone who doesn't understand this shouldn't be trusted to operate heavy machinery, raise children, vote, etc. The use of the crime issue and the emphasis on "sporting use" (echoes of Nazi Germany's 1938 weapons law) are just convenient and persuasive (for the useful idiots) means for the string-pullers to accomplish their goal.

8 posted on 01/12/2005 9:04:05 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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9 posted on 01/12/2005 9:06:15 AM PST by misharu (I've been here a while . . .you just haven't noticed me.)
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11 posted on 01/12/2005 9:53:30 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: neverdem

Damn. I thought this was a Peter Sellers thread.


13 posted on 01/12/2005 10:02:45 AM PST by Lizavetta (Modern liberalism: Where everyone must look different but think the same.)
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To: neverdem
The most pre-eminent scientific group in America has produced a definitive analysis of our decades-long experience with gun control and shattered what has become an article of faith among proponents.

That's the problem. Gun control is a religion, not logic. It's one of the several subsects of liberalism. Logic plays no part in their beliefs. The rest of us aren't people who have facts on our side. We're heretics who question their worship of the total state contol.

There are even a number of @$$holes even on this forum who believe in gun control. I won't name any, but most people know who they are.

15 posted on 01/12/2005 10:08:40 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: neverdem

Interesting chart, but co-relation is not causality. Many factors influence criminal behavior, and the prospect of getting killed by a home-owner certainly will make criminals more unwilling to break into homes. Personally I expect that incarcerating more career criminals (e.g. 3 strikes legislation) has more to do with the drop in crime, given that a relatively small number of offenders commit the majority of crimes. Take them out of circulation for long periods of time and the crime rate will certainly fall. That said, it is my opinion that the 2nd Amendment does protect an individual right, and since the 14th Amendment, the states are limited as well. The legal question (imho) is what standard - rational, intermediate, or strict scrutiny should be applied to measure the governmental interests opposing the individual interests. I think the framers spell it out clearly. By definition the militia referred to in the 2nd Amendment has the missions defined in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution ("To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;") then arms which are useful in carrying out these missions are clearly protected as an individual right. A useful shorthand for this (as per the Miller decision) is "whatever arm is used by the army."


17 posted on 01/12/2005 10:16:49 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: neverdem

It won't be long for "Skeptic" magazine to do a hatchet job on this story and this study.


18 posted on 01/12/2005 10:17:42 AM PST by SunkenCiv (the US population in the year 2100 will exceed a billion, perhaps even three billion.)
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To: neverdem
"It could find no evidence to support the conclusion that government restrictions on firearms reduces gun crime, gun violence and gun accidents."

328 pages to come to a well known conclusion. Pathetic.
22 posted on 01/12/2005 10:28:44 AM PST by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: neverdem

Well, well the obvious is finally come to gun control advocates. The problem I see is that there is a huge amount of people making a lot of money scaring and coercing local and state governments into passing gun laws and I don't see them giving up that gig any time soon. Yep Sarah Brady has a sweet gig. Sorry to her and her husband's injury due to that nut case but gun control would not have helped him a bit.


33 posted on 01/12/2005 10:53:47 AM PST by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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To: neverdem
It could find no evidence to support the conclusion that government restrictions on firearms reduces gun crime, gun violence and gun accidents.

BTTT

35 posted on 01/12/2005 11:10:10 AM PST by hattend (Liberals! Beware the Perfect Rovian Storm [All Hail, Chimpus Khan!])
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