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To: r9etb
That's because real "showdowns" aren't possible until we lay the groundwork such that the revisionists can't avoid them

God laid the groundwork in the New Testament. Anything else is just an excuse to avoid taking a stand.

33 posted on 01/12/2005 9:38:37 AM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: Raycpa
God laid the groundwork in the New Testament. Anything else is just an excuse to avoid taking a stand.

You and I agree on the founding rules of the Church, just as we no doubt agree on a basic interpretation of the Constitution. The real question is how are we supposed to take a stand that has a chance of succeeding?

The problem is that we're talking about ways to deal with a human institution governed by political processes, which has been taken over by people with a contrary agenda.

Not coincidentally, the church revisionists usually belong to the same circles, and hold the same politics, as the Constitutional revisionists. It's not coincidental because, IMHO, it's all part of the same, larger strategy.

We orthodox like to hope for quick-fix "bolt from above" solutions to our problems, just like political conservatives hope for the same thing. That's why we get trounced so often on "procedural," "fairness," and/or "feelings" grounds. Often we don't even properly understand the battle we're in: we incorrectly assume that the other side is playing by the same rules as we are, when in fact they're trying to subvert our rules.

The truth is that we're never going to get that bolt from above. Ours is the task of the apostles, who were told to expect a hard, day-by-day struggle against the forces of darkness, all too often with physical defeat at the end of our road. God will guide us, but we have to do the work. And for the past 30+ years, the orthodox side haven't been doing the work, while the other side has been.

38 posted on 01/12/2005 10:18:40 AM PST by r9etb
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