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Analysis: CBS report a setback for mainstream media [or... 'So what...he still went AWOL']
The Washington Post ^ | January 11, 2005 | By HOWARD KURTZ

Posted on 01/11/2005 5:07:23 AM PST by johnny7

Edited on 01/11/2005 5:24:39 AM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON -- President Bush was re-elected, and Dan Rather wasn't.

That, in a nutshell, is the outcome of a bitter four-month struggle between the White House, which insisted there was no basis for the "60 Minutes" report casting doubt on the president's National Guard service, and a major network whose controversial anchor chose to give up his job before the release of the outside panel's report that sharply criticized him Monday.


(Excerpt) Read more at southcoasttoday.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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“Bush has often asserted that he does not read newspapers or watch television, preferring to get news from his top aides.”

Yeah... he's stupid... and besides, he looks like a chimp.

“If you're a non-Bush person, you'll be dismayed that George Bush will appear to be vindicated and validated by CBS's humiliation.”

Nobody knows the real truth. Go back to your homes... break it up and move along.

“ ...there was just as much sloppiness, just as much of a rush to judgment and just as many mistakes" during Clinton's impeachment. "I don't think we're certain the president fully fulfilled his National Guard service,"

You persecuted our our 'Golden Boy'... our spoiled, narcissistic rapist from Arkansas! WE HATE YOU!!!

" ...If anything constitutes unprofessional media conduct, it's paying nearly a quarter of a million dollars to a right-wing commentator(Armstrong Williams) to push out political propaganda,"

Look... they do propaganda all the time. Get over it!

1 posted on 01/11/2005 5:07:23 AM PST by johnny7
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To: johnny7

Nice post Johnny Mass. Apples and oranges if you asked me.
Hopefully, you, me and others of similar ilk can prevent what you predict will occur in our lifetime and secure America for future generations. Sons of Liberty indeed!


2 posted on 01/11/2005 5:14:33 AM PST by kc2theline (Support our troops and the CIC that sends them to defend us.)
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funny that the compost wouldn't mention their own fabrication stories. I guess its the selection process of what to say and what not to say, and how that effects credibility, that makes all the difference.

The death of the MSM is self-inflicted and well earned.

3 posted on 01/11/2005 5:17:03 AM PST by Pietro
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'So what...he still went AWOL'

I'm having a stroke . . . a heart attack . . . I'm feeling dizzy . . .

Chris Matthews is now on with Imus: Defending Bush's Guard service and blasting CBS!


4 posted on 01/11/2005 5:19:57 AM PST by Racehorse
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Survival for CBS is simple...change the business model or die. Simply put, tell the truth....without coloring.

Everyone "stained" by the "current" scandal must go. The entire culture must change or every employee should begin an immediate search for another employer...with a future and that is not NBC or ABC.....

The elephant in the corner of the room doesn't seem to get much attention.....does it?

5 posted on 01/11/2005 5:22:46 AM PST by cbkaty
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To: johnny7; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
And although the panel's report found no political bias by anyone at CBS

Actually, the media in Cincy framed it quite a bit differently. They said that the report showed "political bias" could not be ruled out or in. In other words, to prove it they would have to get the principles to "admit" it.

Scot Peterson was convicted, however, on far less circumstantial evidence than this.

The smoking gun (circumstantially?) is the Mapes/Lockhardt connection that was proven in the report. Clear thinking Americans who've followed this story know that this entire RatherGate fiasco was a political hit.

Meanwhile, nary a peep about John Kerry's less-than-honorable discharge nor his refusal to release his records.

This thread needs your JfKerry traitor information, Tonk.

6 posted on 01/11/2005 5:23:18 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: johnny7

The WP excerpt-only rule applies no matter which paper carries the article.


8 posted on 01/11/2005 5:26:41 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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“ ...there was just as much sloppiness, just as much of a rush to judgment and just as many mistakes" during Clinton's impeachment.

Really? In the end, the courts supported the charges made against Clinton. However, there weren't enough Senators who decided that Slick's actions warranted removal from office. And Slick repaid that trust by attacking Kosovo and pardoning Marc Rich, among many other things.

9 posted on 01/11/2005 5:29:00 AM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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To: xzins
The smoking gun (circumstantially?) is the Mapes/Lockhardt connection that was proven in the report. Clear thinking Americans who've followed this story know that this entire RatherGate fiasco was a political hit.

That and the fact that Mapes wanted the report to run a week before the election instead of in September.

The claim that there was no proof that the story was politically motivated, and the statement that there was no concrete proof that the memos were forgeries are the two biggest whitewashes in the report. After all, those were the most damning charges - and the commission decided that absolute proof of both was needed instead of logical examination of the evidence to a standard of preponderance.

10 posted on 01/11/2005 5:31:20 AM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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And although the panel's report found no political bias by anyone at CBS

This isn't accurate.

The report said that clear political conflicts of interest (read: bias) existed (Burkett-Mapes-Lockhart), but that they couldn't conclude that these conflicts motivated Mapes. If you read through the report, though, the reason they couldn't make the conclusion is simply because they chose not to explore Mapes' motivation in any detail.

They concluded that she and CBS had a "myopic zeal", but they didn't ask why she had such a zeal for this specific story about this specific candidate. Why no "myopic zeal" for a damaging story about the other candidate...say a swiftboat story? Bias by omission, if you ask me.

11 posted on 01/11/2005 5:31:28 AM PST by Fredgoblu
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...and a major network whose controversial anchor chose to give up his job before the release of the outside panel's report that sharply criticized him Monday.

He chose to resign so he would not have to suffer the ignominy of being fired!

12 posted on 01/11/2005 5:34:44 AM PST by Rummyfan
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" ...If anything constitutes unprofessional media conduct, it's paying nearly a quarter of a million dollars to a right-wing commentator(Armstrong Williams) to push out political propaganda,"

I think the MSM's repsonse to Rather-gate is to keep pushing the Armstrong Williams point. But Armstrong Williams (a) is not a reporter, he is a commentator with an admitted point of view, and (2)he wasn't trying to push phony documentation and influence an election. Williams should however have disclosed his position.

13 posted on 01/11/2005 5:45:03 AM PST by Rummyfan
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It wasn't political. Everyone hates Bush. All her friends hate Bush. She never met anyone that didn't hate Bush. Anything bad about Bush must be true and if its not it should be true.


14 posted on 01/11/2005 5:48:38 AM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: dirtboy

The Kerry campaign had an ad ready to run the next day. Talk about colusion.


15 posted on 01/11/2005 6:03:33 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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Lockhart said "there was just as much sloppiness, just as much of a rush to judgment and just as many mistakes" during Clinton's impeachment."

Tell that to: Linda Tripp, and;

Paula Jones, and;

Juanita Broaddrick

16 posted on 01/11/2005 6:11:01 AM PST by CharacterCounts
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Kurtz's analysis could have been named: The RNC vs. the DNC. Instead of taking CBS to task, all Howie seemed interested in doing is getting each political party's spin on it.

Since Howie is supposed to be the WP guru on the media, it seems weird that he just regurgitated the comments of others, instead of offering some original insight.


17 posted on 01/11/2005 6:12:01 AM PST by randita
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Talk about a story that backfired. The TANG story never really touched Bush, but the entire MSM now has a "smell" because of it.


18 posted on 01/11/2005 6:12:20 AM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: dirtboy
Or even beyond a reasonable doubt. The earlier poster here who said the evidence in this case is a lot stronger than the evidence in the Scott Peterson case has it right. The evidence here is more of the OJ quality, and the panel looks like a bunch of OJ jurors.
19 posted on 01/11/2005 6:21:56 AM PST by libstripper
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To: massgopguy

This without a doubt is the biggest stinking pile I have read in the Post in weeks. How stupid does Kurtz think we are?


20 posted on 01/11/2005 6:28:27 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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