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(Abu Ghraib) Torture? Not if cheerleaders do it, lawyer claims
The London Times ^ | 1.10.05 | Jenny Booth

Posted on 01/10/2005 5:15:43 PM PST by mhking

Forcing naked Iraqi prisoners to pile themselves in human pyramids was not torture, because American cheerleaders do it every year, a court was told today.

A lawyer defending Specialist Charles Graner, who is accused of being a ringleader in the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal, argued that piling naked prisoners in pyramids was a valid form of prisoner control.

"Don’t cheerleaders all over America form pyramids six to eight times a year. Is that torture?" said Guy Womack, Sergeant Graner’s lawyer, in opening arguments to the ten-member military jury at the reservist’s court martial.

Sergeant Graner and Private Lynndie England, with whom he fathered a child and who is also facing a court-martial, became the faces of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal after they appeared in photographs that showed degraded, naked prisoners.

The prosecution showed some of those pictures in their opening argument, including one of naked Iraqi men piled on each other and another of Ms England holding a crawling naked Iraqi man on a leash.

Mr Womack said that using a tether was a valid method of controlling detainees. "You’re keeping control of them. A tether is a valid control to be used in corrections," he said.

Pictures of the humiliating treatment of the prisoners at the prison outside Baghdad prompted outrage around the world, and further eroded the credibility of the United States, already damaged in many countries by the 2003 Iraq invasion.

Apart from arguing that the methods were not illegal, Graner’s defence is that he was following orders from superiors. Mr Womack said: "He was doing his job. Following orders and being praised for it."

The chief prosecutor, Major Michael Holley, asked rhetorically,"Did the accused honestly believe that was a lawful order?"

The Bush Administration has said that the actions were those of a small group and were not part of a policy or condoned by senior officers.

But investigations have shown that many prisoners in Iraq, Afghanistan and at the US Navy base at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba also suffered abusive treatment after the Government considered ways to obtain information in the war against terrorism.

The trial of Sergeant Graner, a 36-year-old former Pennsylvania civilian prison guard who chatted and joked with his defence team before the hearing opened, was expected to last at least a week.

He faces up to 17 years in prison on charges that include mistreating detainees, dereliction of duty and assault. He has pleaded not guilty.

Four of seven accused members of Sergeant Graner’s unit have already pleaded guilty to abuse charges and three have been sentenced to prison.

Meanwhile the first court martial of a British soldier accused of mistreating Iraqi prisoners was getting under way today at a military base in western Germany.

Fusilier Gary Bartlam, 20, who serves with the 1st Battalion of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, is accused of the ill-treatment of Iraqis detained by British forces in May, 2003.

Evidence about the alleged assaults and indecent assaults of the Iraqis were heard at a court martial taking place at a British Army base in Hohne, Germany.

Judge Advocate Michael Hunter banned any further reporting of the details of the hearing for legal reasons.


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To: weegee

Right on, and this was ignored by the msm. Our male/female soldiers were raped and then stacked and packed. There is onea purely simple syllogism as to the muslims(terrorists) prison welfare, "As a grandmother used to say. two tears in the bucket, mother F--- it." They broke all the rules of the Geneva Convention, so it best to repay the debt by a thousandfold more severe. The liberals/democrats are terrorists also, who aid and abett our enemies. NSNR


61 posted on 01/11/2005 4:12:13 AM PST by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: weegee

Watch for jesse, al and cair to come out of the woodworks to defend that POS. I still fail to understand whey he even lived to be put on trial. A murdering muslim convert in our ranks. They do not belong in the military or and LEA whether municipal, county, state or at a the federal level.We can no longer afford to let the muslim terrorists in our home.(America)The constitution need revision ASAP.


62 posted on 01/11/2005 4:23:13 AM PST by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: mhking
Forcing naked Iraqi prisoners to pile themselves in human pyramids was not torture, because American cheerleaders do it every year, a court was told today.

EXCELLENT ARGUMENT

What these soldiers did was not torture.

What they did, goes on colleges and universities.

THE US IS FIGHTING A PC WAR


63 posted on 01/11/2005 5:22:00 AM PST by crushelits
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To: shubi

I don't know about the new soldiers concept, but in my day we felt that way. Liberals are known to F-up a wet-dream. NSNR


64 posted on 01/11/2005 6:12:05 AM PST by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: FreedomCalls

Weren't they undergoing rocket and mortar attacks at Abu Ghraib around the time this all happened? Didn't like 12 or 27 prisoners and/or US service people get killed one day? Everything is so one sided.


65 posted on 01/11/2005 6:43:41 AM PST by johnb838 (To Hell They Will Go. Killmore.)
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To: mhking

I read this on the subway this morning. I laughed loud enough that they stared briefly.


66 posted on 01/11/2005 6:45:39 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (Leftists Are Losers.)
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To: Fred Nerks
...not naming names here, 'cos there's no proof.

Good idea. Let's not name Hackworth.

67 posted on 01/11/2005 1:10:05 PM PST by barker (I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home, Zell Miller on GWBush)
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To: shubi

Oh, the commanding general of the prison, who's name escapes me, should certainly be facing charges herself.

Her claim that she didn't know what was going on with Graner, England, and their little porn studio/prison is unacceptable as a defense...


68 posted on 01/11/2005 2:50:37 PM PST by swilhelm73 (Like the archers of Agincourt, ... the Swiftboat Veterans took down their own haughty Frenchman.)
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To: swilhelm73

Agreed


69 posted on 01/11/2005 4:58:37 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: ScottFromSpokane
For the sake of argument let's even say that it's as bad as torture.

I doubt anyone who has been tortured would agree.

70 posted on 01/11/2005 5:00:45 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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