Posted on 01/10/2005 4:02:34 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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It is not a pretense, every nation in the E.U. is a sovereign nation. Just like the U.S States. Texas has the death penalty, Wisconsin doesn't. You can turn right on a red light in Illinois, but you can't in Virginia. Each U.S. state is a "soverign" state, each country in the E.U. is soverign. You like having a Federal Government for some things, right? Like the Military and monetary system. In the U.S. we have the "Uniform Commercial Code" Well now Europe is slowly getting the same thing the U.S. has.
Well the 13 Colonys didn't fail did they? They banded together and became the greatest country on earth.
We're also extraordinarily better armed than you european 'gentlemen'
We didn't have socialism in spades like you folks either.
Overall, it sounds like your argument *for* the EU rests on two premises...
1) That economic integration much be accompanied by political integration, and is a positive good. The latter is historically questionable - again compare European and Chinese history. The former point though is obviously false. The EU originated as primarily an integration of economic policy, and could have continued as such indefinitely.
2) That political unification is singularly important in preventing inter-European war. But there has not been a chance of war in Europe, excluding Soviet client states, since WWII when democratic governance was forced upon the defeated states.
Every state within the EU is already democratic (except for arguably Belgium). So, if the Rummel hypothesis is correct, and it is hard to argue otherwise, that the best way to prevent interstate and intrastate conflict is to encourage representative government, if anything, how does adding another layer of government effect likelyhood of interstate war in a positive manner?
As a specifically European model to consider, look to the history of Germany.
Founded in 1871, within two generations, the now unified state was fighting the worst war Europe had ever seen. Not against other Germans, true enough, but against other states none the less.
So, to return at the point at hand, it seems that neither of your arguments really provide a benefit to me. The first is achievable without surrendering anymore political authority, and the latter you already possess thanks to American and British post-WWII policy.
And you are losing your country. But hey, if you don't care, why should we ?
PS, next European war, don't call us. Bye.
Thank you for posting this thread.
Gorbachev and his party, THE FATHER OF LIES is allowed to openly maintain his agency in San Francisco's Presidio by the CFR and the New World Order gang.
Every American should have access to read this article.
That is pure Brussels propoganda, trade has not picked up as a result of the Zero, trade has fallen.
The one great selling point of the Zero, has not taken place.
Then what about unemployment, a mere 10.8 in Germany and 9.9 in France and neither figure includes all the people on "make work" schemes, which probably increase both those figures by 50 %. The EU average unemployment rate is near 9%.
So on a simple economic basis, it is a shambles, it cannot provide jobs for its citizens, the one role any decent society should try to achieve.
Are you saying that the 13 colonies would not have united together if they were socialists? Were any countries socialist in the 1700's? I do not see your point at all how socialism plays any role in the development of the European Union. Sorry :((
>and it smells like trouble down the road<
Encouraged to hear your nasal passages have begun to clear. This has been coming long before WWII, so it's about time.
Thank you for making my point, lol.
I refer you to Centurion2000's post. :)
Ad in the U.S.A it is better? Trade has increased? I have two words for you, China and India. Europe is in the same boat as the U.S. and if trade has not increased it has nothing to do with the E.U but rather those two words I mentioned earlier.
It plays a role because a lot of the laws being passed are socialist in nature. We Americans are a stubborn bunch, and don't much like being dictated to. Europeans don't seem to mind as much. Perhaps it will work out for you, but I wouldn't count on it. Not very many successful socialist countries, after all. Not once they go whole hog, anyway.
LOL... I refer you to my posts to ExPat...I am too lazy to type it all out again. :)
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