A crevo thread the other day attempted to document how many evolution proponents had admited to being athiests (much less advocated athiesm). They could only come up with 3 or 4. So I don't believe you "see them all the time at FR".
Moreover, scientifically the theory of evolution is based on an essentially atheistic foundation -- if you look at it closely the a priori assumption is that God plays no role in anything.
Depending on your point of view, God plays a role in everything. Did not God create gravity? Then the coffee you just spilled went to the floor because of God.
Lots of posters latched onto that sentence I posted for the wrong reason. I'm not saying that God is irrelevant in the universe. I'm saying that God does not play a second by second, molecule by molecule role in Evolution. My opinion is that He created the process of Evolution, as He created gravity, and allows His creation to work.
One can say that God caused the coffee to go to the floor, or one can say that gravity did it. It is a distiction without a difference.
My motivation in these posts is to stop the damage done to Christianity by these senseless attacks on good science. From the Catholic churches attacks on Galileo through these modern attacks on evolution, every time Christians attack solid science, they loose. They are loosing on the ID challenge, despite the fact that many are yelling "ID is winning" as loud as they can. They are merely deluding themselves. They may convince a majority, but the majority are not scientific workers. Those are the ones that must change their minds against evolution, and they most certianly are not doing so. The rare exception to the contrary.
The ID theology will damage Christianity, and the sooner it can leave it behind as they left Earth centered cosmology behind, the less damage there will be.
I see no conflict between Evolution and Genesis, and I certianly see no gain to Christians by fighting against it. They merely make themselves appear uneducated.
Actually, in talking about those whom "you see all the time," I was referring to those who oppose the theory of evolution on religious grounds. My long-stated opinion is that many of those folks consider evolution to be a test of their faith. Sorry for the confusion. However, I have run across a number of folks -- the local "Free Thinker" society, for example, or Richard Dawkins -- who use evolution as an argument against the existence of God.
Depending on your point of view, God plays a role in everything. Did not God create gravity? Then the coffee you just spilled went to the floor because of God.
See my #158...
My motivation in these posts is to stop the damage done to Christianity by these senseless attacks on good science.
I can't argue with you on that. The question is, though, whether it's really "good science." My take on that is that the loudest proponents of the theory of evolution make a lot of unfounded assumptions, and claim to be "scientific" on issues that are merely the flip-side of things in ID that are denounced as "unscientific."
The ID theology will damage Christianity, and the sooner it can leave it behind as they left Earth centered cosmology behind, the less damage there will be.
I certainly can argue with that. Heck, narb, there's no need to invoke God in a discussion of ID -- we need only invoke some intelligent agent. Humans, for example, are demonstrably intelligent agents responsible for the development of countless species. So it's clearly not out of bounds to suggest that intelligent agents may have played a role at certain points in the past.
The interesting thing is that the anti-ID folks automatically leap to the assumption that ID is secret code for "God." This is not surprising to me.
I see no conflict between Evolution and Genesis, and I certianly see no gain to Christians by fighting against it. They merely make themselves appear uneducated.
Then again, if one believes in God -- especially a God Who can create an entire universe from scratch, including life -- it seems rather silly to simply assume that God didn't take part in the development of life on Earth.