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To: r9etb

Biology doesn't care whether there is a God. That is a far cry from being an "atheistic" science.

The Theory of Evolution does not contain God in it, because it does not contain creation. The only way this can be a "debate" at all is for the creationists to create a strawman by putting creation into the theory and then arguing against it.

There is no "assumption" there is no God in anything. It is simply that God is not needed to support the theory. If He was, it would be a miracle not science. If God is influencing evolution it would not be noticeable, anyway.


152 posted on 01/11/2005 12:16:43 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi
The Theory of Evolution does not contain God in it, because it does not contain creation.

This is a good example of my point. You have basically said that God would enter into evolution only before evolution actually occurred. This tacitly assumes that evolution runs "on its own," and that there was no intelligent interaction within the development of species at any point.

The only way this can be a "debate" at all is for the creationists to create a strawman by putting creation into the theory and then arguing against it.

Or, by the same token, one could automatically deny the possibility that life on Earth was affected by any intelligent interaction ever -- be it from God or some other source -- and pretend they're being scientific. ;-)

There is no "assumption" there is no God in anything. It is simply that God is not needed to support the theory.

Surely you're aware of the irony inherent in these two sentences.....

If He was, it would be a miracle not science.

Oh? Suppose that, rather than God, it was one of Fred Hoyle's aliens. Would it still be a miracle, or would it be science in that case?

If God is influencing evolution it would not be noticeable, anyway.

This makes no sense as written. What you may mean is that one couldn't tell the difference between "natural" evolution, or evolution guided by God (or some non-God alien intelligence). Perhaps -- but that doesn't mean it can't happen. In fact, we know for a fact that it does happen, because we humans have been guiding evolution of plants and animals literally for millenia.

158 posted on 01/11/2005 12:39:45 PM PST by r9etb
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