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Can A 'Distant' Quasar Lie Within A Nearby Galaxy?
University of California, San Diego ^ | 10 January 2005 | Kim McDonald

Posted on 01/10/2005 1:30:09 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: PatrickHenry
How could a galaxy 300 million light years away contain a stellar object several billion light years away?

That's an easy one - wormholes exist. We're just viewing that quasar through a wormhole lens that happens to lie in the 300 million light year away galaxy.

Ignore the wormhole comment above. The writer has no idea what he is talking about

61 posted on 01/10/2005 4:07:39 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: dangus
The physicists are men a thousand times more intelligent than you or I.

This is the only thing about your reply that I cannot let pass.

They may be a 1000 times more experienced in this field than you or I, but they are no more, nor no less intelligent than anyone else.

Stephen Hawking is considered a mental giant,but that is because his mind has nothing else to do or distract it. FOCUS is a very essential component of achievement.

62 posted on 01/10/2005 4:10:00 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: carlr
I remember a science teacher a long time ago saying that nothing could travel faster than the speed of light.Was he correct or mistaken?

Correct.

63 posted on 01/10/2005 4:11:04 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: UCANSEE2

The wisest man is the one who realizes how little he knows...


64 posted on 01/10/2005 4:15:25 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Shaking nine point oh - With a deadly wave goodbye - oh four departed...)
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To: PatrickHenry
Theory says nothing can move faster than the speed of light.

There may be elements of the universe that can travel faster than the speed of light, but our current theory does not allow acceptance of their existence, if they do.

65 posted on 01/10/2005 4:17:25 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Wasn't it Einstein who made a remark very similar to this?


66 posted on 01/10/2005 4:19:04 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: UCANSEE2
There may be elements of the universe that can travel faster than the speed of light, but our current theory does not allow acceptance of their existence, if they do.

Yeah, bummer.

67 posted on 01/10/2005 4:22:40 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: UCANSEE2

I don't know. Could well be.


68 posted on 01/10/2005 4:23:55 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Shaking nine point oh - With a deadly wave goodbye - oh four departed...)
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To: Tamberlane

"If I am not mistaken, discoveries like this one are calling the entire Big Bang hypothesis in question."

This and Dark Matter do put some wrenches in the system. I still think the Earth is a tad older than 6,000 years though.


69 posted on 01/10/2005 4:29:34 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: EternalVigilance
The wisest man is the one who realizes how little he knows..

And conversely,

Those who know very little, seem to think they know everything.

70 posted on 01/10/2005 4:31:22 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: FastCoyote

I thought the Big Bang was the creation of some female porno star in LA.


71 posted on 01/10/2005 4:33:10 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: Yo-Yo
Red shift measurements do not come from known brightnesses, but rather looking at the spectrum of light coming from the source. Certain lines of brightness should be at a specific frequency.. the line for hydrogen lets say. It is said to be red shifted when its frequency is lower than expected.. "redder"

This is akin to the sound that you hear when a train passes by.. The tone of the whistle gets lower as well as all of the other sounds at they recede from you..

You would only notice red shifting of headlights visually if you were going very very fast.. lets say perhaps 10,000 miles per second or better.. but then again.. you would be vaporizing due to the air resistance. But it wouldn't be red shifting.. you would see a blue tinge because you would be blue shifting when you were approaching.) The red tail lights receding would go dim or seemingly go out.. as the observed light would be tending toward the infrared.

Needless to say, this is slightly faster than the posted speed limits.

72 posted on 01/10/2005 4:33:14 PM PST by dalight
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To: dalight
Needless to say, this is slightly faster than the posted speed limits.

Hmmm...I see you've never seen Chicago cabs in between stoplights...

73 posted on 01/10/2005 4:36:31 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Shaking nine point oh - With a deadly wave goodbye - oh four departed...)
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To: Conservative Canuck

My first thought - relative to skip on am radio. Skipping through time via a worm-hole.


74 posted on 01/10/2005 5:23:41 PM PST by commonguymd (My impatience is far more advanced than any known technology.)
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To: FastCoyote
I still think the Earth is a tad older than 6,000 years though.

Are you implying that I don't? Then you are mistaken. My doubts about BB have nothing to do with religion.

75 posted on 01/10/2005 5:26:07 PM PST by Tamberlane
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To: PatrickHenry

If a black hole implodes in a cosmic forest do any Martians hear ?


76 posted on 01/10/2005 5:27:46 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: carlr; PatrickHenry
I remember a science teacher a long time ago saying that nothing could travel faster than the speed of light.Was he correct or mistaken?

There's a slight qualification that should be made. Special Relativity assumes that no signal or matter can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.

This leaves open the possibility that space itself can expand at "super-luminal" rates, as is proposed in the Inflationary version of Big Bang Cosmology, since there's no way to transmit a signal, and no matter is being accelerated in any local frame of reference, by the expansion of space.

77 posted on 01/10/2005 5:29:10 PM PST by longshadow
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To: UCANSEE2
Theory says nothing can move faster than the speed of light.

There may be elements of the universe that can travel faster than the speed of light, but our current theory does not allow acceptance of their existence, if they do.

Actually the ToR only rules out acceleration past the speed of light. Theoretically there could be entities that came into existence at a higher speed, and which from our point of view travel backwards in time. Such (hypothetical) entitites are known as 'tachyons'.

78 posted on 01/10/2005 5:30:55 PM PST by Tamberlane
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To: PatrickHenry
Can A 'Distant' Quasar Lie Within A Nearby Galaxy?

How about "near" a nearby galaxy?
79 posted on 01/10/2005 5:33:25 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Conservative Canuck
I had the same thought, maybe they are viewing it through some kind of tunnel that is letting the light from the quasar to go through the galaxy.
80 posted on 01/10/2005 5:33:56 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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