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To: lawdave; ImphClinton
That church died with John

So Jesus, The Second person of the Holy Trinity, created a Church and yet made no provision for it to last longer than the life of his apostles? What about all the deacons and bishops appointed by the apostles which are recorded in the Acts of the Apostles and Paul's letters? What about Jesus telling Peter that upon Peter he was building his Church, "and the gates of hell would not prevail against it?"

Excellent points. I might add, are we to believe then, that after Jesus came for our salvation, the Church started by him lay in ruins after John's death for some 1400 years or so until one man, a mere mortal, unlike the divine and human Jesus promised to us for centuries, came along 'resurrected' it from the ruins and 'reformed' it?

232 posted on 01/12/2005 12:22:53 PM PST by fortunecookie (My grandparents didn't flee communism so that I could live in Kerry's Kommune - and I won't have to.)
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To: fortunecookie
As I stated. God loves all his children and the Christian principles Christ taught never left the earth. Though the orgnization did.

In a way it matters not what religion you are as long as you live a good life you will go to heaven, at least what you believe to be heaven.

Peter was an Apostle and Prophet. Sure Bishops and Deacons were ordained but they were constantly going wrong and the Apostles had to correct them thus most of the New Testament. Once they were gone there was no correcting and the Church soon became much different than what Christ created. This was fine with God because his teachings were preserved for those seeking the truth. He was ready to answer prayers and all would be ready for his second coming.

To prepare the Earth for his second coming the Church in it's fullness was restored in 1820. It has the same organization as the Church Christ created. It will prepare the earth for Christ second coming. He will stand at the head when he returns.
246 posted on 01/13/2005 10:49:17 PM PST by ImphClinton (Four More Years Go Bush)
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