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Congress passes `doomsday' plan
Boston Herald ^ | 1/09/05 | Noelle Straub

Posted on 01/10/2005 3:35:48 AM PST by kattracks

WASHINGTON - With no fanfare, the U.S. House has passed a controversial doomsday provision that would allow a handful of lawmakers to run Congress if a terrorist attack or major disaster killed or incapacitated large numbers of congressmen.
     ``I think (the new rule) is terrible in a whole host of ways - first, I think it's unconstitutional,'' said Norm Ornstein, a counselor to the independent Continuity of Government Commission, a bipartisan panel created to study the issue. ``It's a very foolish thing to do, I believe, and the way in which it was done was more foolish.'' But supporters say the rule provides a stopgap measure to allow the government to continue functioning at a time of national crisis.
     GOP House leaders pushed the provision as part of a larger rules package that drew attention instead for its proposed ethics changes, most of which were dropped.
     Usually, 218 lawmakers - a majority of the 435 members of Congress - are required to conduct House business, such as passing laws or declaring war.
     But under the new rule, a majority of living congressmen no longer will be needed to do business under ``catastrophic circumstances.''
     Instead, a majority of the congressmen able to show up at the House would be enough to conduct business, conceivably a dozen lawmakers or less.
     The House speaker would announce the number after a report by the House Sergeant at Arms. Any lawmaker unable to make it to the chamber would effectively not be counted as a congressman.
     The circumstances include ``natural disaster, attack, contagion or similar calamity rendering Representatives incapable of attending the proceedings of the House.''
     The House could be run by a small number of lawmakers for months, because House vacancies must be filled by special elections. Governors can make temporary appointments to the Senate.
     Rep. Brian Baird (D-Wash.), one of few lawmakers active on the issue, argued the rule change contradicts the U.S. Constitution, which states that ``a majority of each (House) shall constitute a quorum to do business.
     ``Changing what constitutes a quorum in this way would allow less than a dozen lawmakers to declare war on another nation,'' Baird said.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; doomsdayscenario; govwatch; ornstein; slipperyslope
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1 posted on 01/10/2005 3:35:48 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Scary stuff! I am familiar with a handful of lawmakers that I wouldn't trust to wash my car much less run the country without a real quorum.
2 posted on 01/10/2005 3:40:09 AM PST by cbkaty
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To: kattracks

My bet is that, from this point forward, the Democrats will always keep a greater number of Congressmen absent from Washington (as compared to Republicans). That way, if the Capitol goes up in smoke, the Democrats would automatically assume control.

Of course with Senators like Kerry, it won't be difficult for them to keep a majority absent!


3 posted on 01/10/2005 3:43:25 AM PST by SpyGuy (Liberalism is slow societal suicide. And screw political correctness: Islam is the Religion of Death)
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To: kattracks
first, I think it's unconstitutional,'' said Norm Ornstein,

Doubt our fearless leaders will let a little thing like the US Constitution stand in their way...

imo

4 posted on 01/10/2005 3:45:10 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: kattracks

I would think that the government ceasing to function for a while would save us a lot of money.


5 posted on 01/10/2005 3:48:47 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Are the leftists still allowing us to say 'Happy New Year'?)
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To: kattracks
Under those ``catastrophic circumstances'' the rules change to ...

HOME RULE!

6 posted on 01/10/2005 3:57:43 AM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: SpyGuy
That way, if the Capitol goes up in smoke...

They'd deserve it for not securing the homeland.

7 posted on 01/10/2005 4:08:38 AM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: joesnuffy

Exactly. 98% of what our federal government does these days is unconstitutional. And what they are mandated to do by the Constitution (like protect our borders), they completely shirk. So why should this be any different?


8 posted on 01/10/2005 4:11:16 AM PST by SpyGuy (Liberalism is slow societal suicide. And screw political correctness: Islam is the Religion of Death)
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To: DTogo
They'd deserve it for not securing the homeland.

No argument from me!

9 posted on 01/10/2005 4:12:09 AM PST by SpyGuy (Liberalism is slow societal suicide. And screw political correctness: Islam is the Religion of Death)
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To: kattracks

This is positively frightening, particularly because the Dems consider losing an election a national calamity.


10 posted on 01/10/2005 4:14:16 AM PST by NautiNurse (Osama bin Laden has more tapes than Steely Dan)
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To: DTogo

Exactly spot on!


11 posted on 01/10/2005 4:23:53 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: NautiNurse
This is positively frightening, particularly because the Dems consider losing an election a national calamity.

Exactly. It sounds like legal cover for a future coup may just have been written into law.
12 posted on 01/10/2005 4:32:39 AM PST by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: beezdotcom

That sounds pretty odd.


13 posted on 01/10/2005 4:42:14 AM PST by The Teen Conservative (Taglines really get me worked up to write something in them for nothin', y'know?)
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To: The Teen Conservative

Hard to see the downside of Capitol Hill being put out of commission. We have enough laws now to last a thopusand years.





14 posted on 01/10/2005 4:58:29 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: kattracks

Right before 9-11 Hollywood was in the process of making a movie where virtually all three houses of gov't were killed. The story followed a lone congressional aids (or somesuch) attempt to maintain the US gov't. It was shelved after 9-11, but with all the doomsday films out since, I wonder if they will continue to make the film.


15 posted on 01/10/2005 5:02:37 AM PST by KillTime (Western Civilization herself breathes a sigh of relief as President Bush wins 4 more years.)
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To: kattracks

Congress can determine through its rules what constitutes a quorum. And one can make a case that if the majority of Congresscritters were wiped out in an attack or natural disaster, those left could still conduct business. Of course vacancies would have to be filled by constitutional procedures as soon as possible.


16 posted on 01/10/2005 5:06:21 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: kattracks

The sheep have lots of good grazing, they wont notice.


17 posted on 01/10/2005 5:08:09 AM PST by cynicom (<p)
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To: The Teen Conservative
The circumstances include ``natural disaster, attack, contagion or similar calamity rendering Representatives incapable of attending the proceedings of the House.''

That's the oddest part: originally, the plan was supposed to cover the span of time between most of Congress getting obliterated a special election. Now, they're preparing to run things if most folks can't attend, whether or not they're still alive.

This is one of those provisions that won't hurt in the near future - and may even appear to help. But 20 years from now, who will be in power, and who will abuse this rule?
18 posted on 01/10/2005 5:16:42 AM PST by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: kattracks
This reeks of the shenanigans used to pass the Federal Reserve Act.

D@mned dangerous!

19 posted on 01/10/2005 5:21:10 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (I'm still waiting for this global warming stuff to get to North Dakota.)
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To: sgtbono2002
We have enough laws now to last a thopusand years.

Heck, it'd take that long to find 'em all and repeal them.

20 posted on 01/10/2005 5:24:21 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (I'm still waiting for this global warming stuff to get to North Dakota.)
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