Ukraine: Forces Behind the Orange Revolution

Turkish Weekly ^ | 8 January 2005 | Erhan Basyurt

[Lukasz]

What can you say about this all foundations? Nice example that sometimes in international policy internal opponents could developing democracy together.

[Destro]

Many of the above went to expanding democratic institutions but the ones that created organizations for protests and propaganda were clearly funded by Soros - staffed by Soros' people who did the same in Serbia and Georgia.

[zzen01]

Let's hope all of this Revolution stuff spreads to N. Korea and Iran!

[Lukasz]

and why then Republicans and W supported this all revolutions? I know that W is in close relationship with Georgian president.

[Lukasz]

Of course it is better solution that war and less expensive. In Iran there is real chance but all democratic countries should increase their help. First we should install there free TV from Turkey for example.

[Little Bill]

Damn a massive FReep, I wish we could get the turn out.

[Destro]

Only to your mind did all those institutions above support "revolution". What many organizations supported was transparent democracy and such. Many other institutions seem to have spent their money organizing the logistics for demonstrations. Not exactly the same thing.

Not all the above cited organizations have the same ideology or policies.

The ones that I have a problem with are those that have links to Soros that funded exit pollers, election monitors and the demonstratuion organizers.

[Lukasz]

You know very well that such revolution was the only way to install democracy there. What Ukrainians should to do? Shut up and watch how Putin’s controlled puppet president with criminal past destroying their country? Watch election fraud and say nothing? Or take tha initiative in own hands, because Ukrainian made this choice not above mentioned foundations. There was will of Ukrainian people, not Putin, Bush or Soros.

[Lion in Winter]

Remove my name from your bump list, post haste.

[Lukasz]

I don't have bump list my dear.

[Jabba the Nutt]

Americans have funded mostly training seminars, legal training, election training, how to campaign and organize training. It didn't fund particular politicians or particular policies. People came up with their own parties, politicians and policies. The Ukraine government investigated US funding and confirmed the above.

Russia spent $300 to $500 million, their man in Kiev controlled almost all the tv and news. They still had to cheat to win. Then they lost it all.

America did not buy the election, buy the Ukraine, Ukrainians took it back for themselves.

[Lukasz]

Yes exacly that is what I mean.

[Lion in Winter]

When you sring invites to a thread as you did on this thread ... you have bump list.

Take my name off NOW!

I am not a "dear" to you.

[Lukasz]

You are angry cause my article proofs that your statments few minutes ago in other thread was just wrong. This was only continuation of the disccusion which YOU started.

You are not in my list cause I DO NOT have any list.

[Destro]

Oh - all Ukrainians, eh? Many don't want to live closer to the EU.

[Destro]

Russia spent $300 to $500 million according to what source? I am calling you on that figure - America spent a billion dollars on our elections and that was a world record - so your numbers don't pass the smell test.

[MeekOneGOP]

Ukraine: Forces Behind the Orange Revolution

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Yushchenko vs. Yanukovych/Ukraine election ping list!. . .don't be shy.

[PhilDragoo]

Thank you for this informative ping.

Iran needs a revolution.

[texasflower]

LIW,

You sure are a whiny baby. What's wrong?

Someone has the nerve to point out something that backs up their point of view (i.e. FACTS) and you explode like a 3 year old?

I saw the names that Lukasz pinged to this thread. You guys have been wrong, as well as mean and hateful through this entire thing.

We know your agenda. Why can't you listen to the opposing view without being a jerk?

Tammy