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Nuclear Submarine Runs Aground South of Guam
The Associated Press ^ | Jan 8, 2005 | The Associated Press

Posted on 01/08/2005 3:19:47 AM PST by Jet Jaguar

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To: IonImplantGuru

Combined with the topside watches always dropping weapons overboard...


941 posted on 01/10/2005 11:15:26 AM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: Doohickey

"Combined with the topside watches always dropping weapons overboard..."

I confess, I confess!

It was an accident, really!


942 posted on 01/10/2005 11:22:18 AM PST by fastattacksailor (The US without the UN is like not having your mother-in-law with you on your honeymoon)
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To: RebelTex

bttt


943 posted on 01/10/2005 11:28:17 AM PST by RebelTex (Freedom is everyone's right - and everyone's responsibility!)
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To: 1Old Pro
March 20, 1993. USS Grayling with a Russian sub in the Barent's Sea.
I guess traffic is better....no collisions in over a decade?

Considering the Soviets had their coup August 1991 and military spending was already in a free fall well before that, if there's fewer subs on patrol there's less of a chance of a collision. Most of their subs now are causing an environmential problem as they rust in port.

944 posted on 01/10/2005 11:30:17 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: jriemer
Most of their subs now are causing an environmential problem as they rust in port

I've been aboard a Russian sub in Long Beach Ca. What a piece of junk. Our WW II boats weren't even this crude. I looked around and my impression was "how did they get away with so few losses". You could never get me to dive on one.

SS Guy
945 posted on 01/10/2005 11:39:34 AM PST by SS Guy
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To: fastattacksailor

I hope all the fingerprints have eroded from the coffee cups at the bottom of Holy Loch.


946 posted on 01/10/2005 11:46:13 AM PST by HipShot ("Remember the first rule of gunfighting... have a gun." --Colonel Jeff Cooper)
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To: SS Guy
I've been aboard a Russian sub in Long Beach Ca. What a piece of junk. Our WW II boats weren't even this crude. I looked around and my impression was "how did they get away with so few losses". You could never get me to dive on one.

Here's a Romeo-class looking like "Operation Petticoat" Date / location unknown:

More Russians subs that have seen better days (12/2003):

947 posted on 01/10/2005 11:47:58 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: rsobin

That boat was built at Newport News Shipyard, in Newport News Va. I watched it become commissioned.


Thats why it held up so good. You cant beat a Newport News built submarine.


948 posted on 01/10/2005 11:52:56 AM PST by judicial meanz
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To: rsobin

Yes, it was very touch and go. My son said that with the emergency blow, they surfaced very quickly. He also talked about the water leak and fortunatly, it was not sea water.

The collision also knocked out the sonar. The sonar guys helped out with other duties and the injured also worked at getting the sub back home. He went up to the control room to help out and said there was a lot of blood around there. The medic and and jg with paramedical experience and a couple of guys with EMT training did a fantastic job on treating the injuries. When a medical doc finally came on board, he highly complimented the work, stitching, etc that this group did. We can be proud of the good work of the crew of the SSN San Francisco.

My son said the charts showed open country for clear sailing. The senior people are really beating themselves up over what went wrong. And the crew is also concerned for the Captain, XO, Navigator,etc. He hopes everything will turn out good for them.

Yes, the hull is pretty well wrinkled. Our tax dollars were well spent there to be able to withstand such a colliding force. My son said that nothing came apart or was damaged in the engine room. He said when he meets an engineer or designer of the reactor and engine room, he will buy them a beer.

After 33 hours he finally got some rack time but somebody on the deck above dropped something and he came out of the rack only to realize that they were on the surface and going real slow. By the way, he is 6 feet 5 inches and weighs 240 pounds and he has learned to adapt to a small sleeping space! He has been in for 6 and a half years and has 6 months to go. Mixed emotions about leaving his boat in the shape it is in. These kids have worked hard to bring this sub from the worst to the best in the Pacific.

They need a lot of encouragement from everybody.


949 posted on 01/10/2005 11:54:01 AM PST by nmrancher
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To: Hostel

Hostel,
My son was also on the San Fran when the FT died in his sleep. He was young, in his 20's and had a heart attack.

Some time last year, the sub also had a fire on board and they surfaced for two days getting back to Guam.

I don't know if the boat has a curse; I think the sorry condition of the boat when it went to Guam was a result of the budget cuts during the Clinton years. On second thought, that is a curse!!!


950 posted on 01/10/2005 12:07:53 PM PST by nmrancher
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To: 1Old Pro
March 20, 1993. USS Grayling with a Russian sub in the Barent's Sea.

Delta-IV (Project 667BDRM) submarine "Novomoskovsk" was a collision with the US submarine Grayling 0n 20 March 1993.
951 posted on 01/10/2005 12:12:26 PM PST by SS Guy
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To: nmrancher

My son Zackery Sobin is an e-5 nuke S.O., he was in the engine room at the time of the grounding.He was leaning forward up against a cabnet and has bruised ribs ,a bump on his head and a sore neck. He also told me of the detailed navagational charts that indicated clear sailing. He was preforming a test on the reactor secondary cooling water , a test he aborted... obviously.Zack has a shutdown and cooldown duty watch starting a couple of hours ago that will take at least 20 hours. Tell your son that you have been coesponding with Zack's dad. I was hoping they would give him a break.


952 posted on 01/10/2005 12:13:16 PM PST by rsobin
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To: Jet Jaguar

Whoops.

I always wondered what kind of jobs the mids who graduate from Annapolis at the bottom of their class get.

Guess SNN 711's helmsman could tell ya.


953 posted on 01/10/2005 12:13:18 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (Better to have government by the masses than government by the asses.)
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To: rsobin; nmrancher

God Bless the crew, and those that wait for them.


955 posted on 01/10/2005 12:40:01 PM PST by SmithL (ex-Boomer Rider)
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To: rsobin
Posted from another BBS

Posted by Dean Adams ET2(SS) USS San Francisco SSN-711 on Mon - Jan 10 - 11:52am:
First off I would like to thank everyone who has offered prayers for us over these past few days. It really means alot to the crew to know that the sub force cares about us.

Second, I know it's human nature to speculate but I have read the previous posts and they are way off.

Third, CDR. Mooney is a Capt in the finest sense of the word. No matter what happens, He is MY Captain!

Fourth, Rest in Peace shipmate to my fallen comrade Cooter. It's hard to type this as I am tearing up just thinking about his passing.

Lastly, I have just been able to go topside to see the extent of the damage and if not for the finest Captain and best crew in the sub force, She would not have brought us home. HOOOYAH San Francisco!!
956 posted on 01/10/2005 12:44:25 PM PST by SS Guy
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To: StoneColdGOP
I always wondered what kind of jobs the mids who graduate from Annapolis at the bottom of their class get.

Do you have something to back that up, or are we having early cocktails today? Personally, I have immense respect for anyone that can get through the Naval Academy, or any of the Service Academies, for that matter.

957 posted on 01/10/2005 12:46:22 PM PST by SmithL (ex-Boomer Rider)
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To: deaconjim

Hey deaconjim. I had a couple friends on the Stonewall Jackson. I was on the 640 and 641, out of Charleston, SC as well. The Cooper River always made everyone nervous,lol.


958 posted on 01/10/2005 12:48:10 PM PST by MissileTech
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To: SmithL

Er... So do I show me where I said the opposite.

What I AM trying to communicate is that the person responsible for the accident (now fatal, I understand) has a LOT to answer for that perhaps his tranining didn't sink in enough.

I'll have you know I have the highest respect for the silent service in particular.


959 posted on 01/10/2005 12:53:46 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (Better to have government by the masses than government by the asses.)
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To: rsobin

"My son Zackery Sobin is an e-5 nuke S.O., he was in the engine room at the time of the grounding.He was leaning forward up against a cabnet and has bruised ribs ,a bump on his head and a sore neck. He also told me of the detailed navagational charts that indicated clear sailing. He was preforming a test on the reactor secondary cooling water , a test he aborted... obviously.Zack has a shutdown and cooldown duty watch starting a couple of hours ago that will take at least 20 hours. Tell your son that you have been coesponding with Zack's dad. I was hoping they would give him a break."

My son Kevin was an R.O. on the San Francisco until February 2003. I called Kevin after I read your post and he said "Oh yeah, I remember Zack, I was in his division." Tell Zack Kevin is thinking about the guys and hopes things will be okay.


960 posted on 01/10/2005 1:18:17 PM PST by rwa265
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