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*Actual Headline* Retarded Kennedy Sister Dies at 86
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Posted on 01/07/2005 9:19:50 PM PST by Gomez

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To: Gomez

"I'd Rather Have A Bottle In Front Of Me Than A Frontal Lobotomy"


21 posted on 01/07/2005 10:01:55 PM PST by dandi (Looking forward to more P.E.S.T.s in 2006.)
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To: Gomez
I think "Mental Retardation" is a real medical term where the patients are called retarded.

the pc democrats changed it into something bad.


I think the lobotomy did her in.

rest in peace.
22 posted on 01/07/2005 10:04:23 PM PST by Coleus (What was Swimmer Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping)
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To: 26lemoncharlie

My sentiments exactly.


23 posted on 01/07/2005 10:10:09 PM PST by This Just In (Set high standards, you get quality. Set low standards, expect mediocrity)
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To: Gomez

I'd rather have a Bottle in front of me intead of a Frontal Lobotomy.


24 posted on 01/07/2005 10:20:12 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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To: Numbers Guy
Someone needs to post the lyrics to the Ramones' "Teenage Lobotomy". May the Good Lord be kinder to her than her parents were.

They should have done the lobotomy on Teddy instead. Sad that the sister harmed, with such a horrible procedure!

25 posted on 01/07/2005 10:21:23 PM PST by blondee123 (Proud Member of the FR Pajama Blogger Brigade - New Sheriffs in Town!)
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To: ambrose
Retarded Kennedy dies?? Who do you think Romney will appoint to fill the vacant senate seat?

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaa!!!

26 posted on 01/07/2005 10:23:17 PM PST by blondee123 (Proud Member of the FR Pajama Blogger Brigade - New Sheriffs in Town!)
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To: Gomez

Rather tasteless on the part of the person that wrote that headline.


27 posted on 01/07/2005 10:23:22 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Blast_Master

That dude looks like Walter Cronkite.


28 posted on 01/07/2005 10:25:22 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: stylin19a
The old man had her lobotomized because of her active interest in sex.

Guess they should have had them all lobotomized & even some of the younger ones, like Wm. Kennedy Smith! And the sexual legacy goes on............

29 posted on 01/07/2005 10:25:46 PM PST by blondee123 (Proud Member of the FR Pajama Blogger Brigade - New Sheriffs in Town!)
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To: Dan19
Isn't it politically incorrect to use the word "retarded" nowadays?

Yes, and we need to keep up the fight against political correctness.

30 posted on 01/07/2005 10:29:54 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: Gomez

"Mary Jo Kopecne"

Gee, I wonder what Mary Jo Kopecne thinks about this . . . oh, that's right . . . she's another female silenced by the Kennedys. Isn't that family just wonderful?

I understand that Sen. Ted had the nerve to question our new attorney general about the "awful water tortures" we inflicted on these Islamic creeps. What irony!!! Mary Jo call home . . . oh, that's right, she not available.


31 posted on 01/07/2005 10:39:54 PM PST by laweeks (I)
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To: stylin19a
I think I read once that Rosemary was mildly retarded as a result of a delayed birth and her delayed but developing sexual awareness was a potential problem. Of course, her brothers' interest in sex was to be celebrated; hers despised.

It is karmic justice that Old Joe couldn't speak after his stroke. It is that very silence that forced JFK to become a better President than he would have been had his dad not had the stroke and still told him what to do. While he micro-managed everyone, Joe was an inverse indicator and always wrong in his choices. Not having to take advice from Joe probably saved the country.

I now find it interesting that we are at the end of the Kennedy "dynasty". Teddy, fat asinine slob that he is, is the last vestige of a dying breed. His last attempt to run the party because he can't run the country, ended with Kerry's defeat. Teddy as a adviser is about like having Old Joe at your side. I thought I would never see the day when a Kennedy wouldn't be running for President. Unless Patrick or Kathleen Townsend gets real popular real fast, it may be over.

The Kennedy cousin didn't get away with it in the Connecticut murder. This month Caroline is auctioning off the rest of her mother's stuff. The Senate seat that would have been almost guaranteed to John Jr. is now Hillary's.

Like Pompeii, title this chapter "The Last Days of Camelot". Or "What Goes Around, Comes Around".

32 posted on 01/07/2005 10:45:08 PM PST by MHT
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To: dandi

I've seen it disputed that she was retarded at all. I have seen the case made that she was somewhat mentally ill but not of an IQ below 85 before the "Pyscho Surgery". But I can't cite the reference or how legitimate the claim may be.

At the time lobotomies were used mostly for the violently mentally ill who might otherwise hurt themselves and others. Nowadays such behavior is controlled by drugs instead of surgery. It was highly questionable to have a lobotomy performed on someone who wandered, talked to herself, disrobed at inappropriate times or masturbated in less-than-private circumstances. But in that era there were other lobotomies performed that would certainly be viewed as shockingly unethical at an earlier or later time period.


33 posted on 01/07/2005 11:18:42 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (Technology advances but human nature is dependably stagnant)
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To: MHT
I thought I would never see the day when a Kennedy wouldn't be running for President.

Maybe Maria Shriver will run since Arnold can't.

34 posted on 01/07/2005 11:44:35 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Monterrosa-24
Nowadays such behavior is controlled by drugs instead of surgery.

Yet the drugs pretty much do the same thing. Affect their brains, make them dull, listless and easy to control.

35 posted on 01/07/2005 11:46:02 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Coleus

Well, after everything I read after some "googling".....I am just more and more stunned by the whole kennedy fiasco. I feel so sorry for that poor woman.... God rest her soul.






36 posted on 01/08/2005 12:03:34 AM PST by Shortstop7
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To: 26lemoncharlie
Far be it from me to defend JFK, um, JFKennedy, but I believe that a part of him really did believe
in defending the USofA.

He did maybe, half a dozen positive things for the US.

Which is 6 more things than than the peanut farmer or slick can boast about.

Johnson? Well, unlike the other southern aforementioned ilk, his greed, at least to my knowledge, didn't include selling out the country.

37 posted on 01/08/2005 12:25:10 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Gomez
But as she got older, her father worried that his daughter's mild condition would lead her into situations that could damage the family's reputation. "Rosemary was a woman, and there was a dread fear of pregnancy, disease and disgrace,"...

What an incredibly monstrous thing to do. Did old Joe learn this from his soviet idols? And what family reputation was he trying to preserve? Old Joe must've been in some form of denial thinking there was any family reputation worth preserving. Practically every one of them was a charlatan. Why then did he not lobotamize Teddy for the same reason??

38 posted on 01/08/2005 12:25:14 AM PST by kimosabe31
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To: j.havenfarm
Why don't you do some research before you jump on the hate Kennedy bandwagon?

"In 1936, Walter Freeman, an American physician, with his colleague James Watts, performed his first lobotomy operation. He was so satisfied with the results that he went on to do many thousands more, and in fact began a propaganda campaign to promote its use. He is also famous for invented what is called ice pick lobotomy. Impatient with the difficult surgical methods pioneered by Moniz, he found he could insert an ordinary ice pick above each eye of a patient with only local anesthetic, drive it through the thin bone with a light tap of a mallet, swish the pick back and forth like a windshield wiper and -- voilà -- a formerly difficult patient is now passive.

Freeman recommended the procedure for everything from psychosis to depression to neurosis to criminality. He developed what others called assembly line lobotomies, going from one patient to the next with his gold-plated ice pick, even having his assistants time him to see if he could break lobotomy speed record. It is said that even some seasoned surgeons fainted at the site. Even Watts thought he had gone too far.

Between 1939 and 1951, over 18,000 lobotomies were performed in the US, and many more in other countries. It was often used on convicts, and in Japan, it was recommended for use on “difficult” children. There are still western countries that permit the use of the lobotomy, although its use has decreased dramatically worldwide. Curiously, the old USSR banned it back in the 1940s on moral grounds!"

From: http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/lobotomy.html

When I was a student of Philosophy in the '70's we had a psychologist as a guest speaker in our class on philosophical psychology and the first thing he said to us is that he wouldn't answer any questions on the subject of lobotomy.

By the way Freeman performed up to five lobotomies every day in his private practice with his gold plated ice pick which was unsterilized. He made a fortune. Especially among rich families with difficult children.
39 posted on 01/08/2005 1:07:08 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: Gomez

The Kennedy family children are seen in a boat in this undated photo. From left, are: Eunice, Jack, Joe Jr., Rosemary and Kathleen Kennedy. (AP Photo/The Kennedy Family Collection)

That was a near thing! If Edward had been alive when this photo was taken, there likely never would have been a President Kennedy!

"Little Teddy, why are your clothes so wet?"

"Huh? Oh, yeah! Boat capsized. Almost forgot."
40 posted on 01/08/2005 1:18:11 AM PST by Rastus
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