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Voting by dead people isn't always a scam
Seattle Times ^ | 1/7/05 | Justin Mayo, Christine Willmsen, Mike Carter and Cheryl Phillips

Posted on 01/07/2005 10:12:48 AM PST by BurbankKarl

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To: 88keys
Who's Ron Sims?

Ron Sims is the King County Executive.

In King County, unlike most counties in this state, has the elections function is not under the County Auditor's responsibility, but instead under the control of the County Executive.

Ron Sims is a prominent Democrat in the State and actually was the main Democratic Party rival in the primary Goveror's race to Chris Gregoire. Ron has high party aspirations and has been known to pull political fast ones every now and then.

After years of problems with the elections dept in King County and a very pointed State Auditor report, the King County Executive (Ron Sims) and the King County Council got into a fight and re-organized the elections department and put in under control of both Democratic Party dominated organizations. The County Council set up a Citizens Election Oversight Committee to make sure that the new Elections head, Mr. Dan Logan, cleaned things up, even though it is still functionally under the control of the County Executive, Ron Sims.

None of the problems being discussed is totally a new problem that was not known prior to the election. It was just that the King County Council, its Citizens Oversight Committee, and Ron Sims were all saying earlier in the year that all the problems were be worked out.

It is now clear that the mess was not fixed. It is even more clear that "the buck doesn't stop on Mr. Sims or the County Coumcils desk."

41 posted on 01/07/2005 11:57:37 AM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: BurbankKarl

Sad for the old guy but he voted for her AFTER she died. That is a straight violation of the law. (of course we are assuming he voted democrat, the article does not say and it would change nothing)

This article sounds like damage control. The democrats are in trouble.


42 posted on 01/07/2005 12:04:30 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Robert357

Is seems clear the mess was made worse.


43 posted on 01/07/2005 12:08:16 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: BurbankKarl

44 posted on 01/07/2005 12:09:22 PM PST by petercooper (DEAN in '08!)
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To: Robert357
How interesting! So let me guess...Dan Logan was supposed to "fix" this long-standing problem with King County elections (under the auspices - sic - of Ron Sims) but clearly he didn't despite Sims' "good faith and trust"...so Logan's head will end up on a plate if all the fraud is proved, Gregoire will lose in a re-vote, Sims will do a mea culpa for believing in Logan (or else blame the County Council) and get a slap on the wrist for inadequate "oversight" (he is the "Executive", after all, with lots of other things to worry about...) and voila! The Democrat machine is preserved more or less intact, Rossi becomes governor but the circumstances are "tainted" (can you say "selected"?!) and Sims has a clear shot next time...

Like I said, very interesting!! But...that "selected" BS didn't work to stop W's re-election, so I say, go for it and let the Dem. chips (is that like "cow chips"? ouch! / mean) fall where they may...hopefully in jail!

Thanks for the info/update!

45 posted on 01/07/2005 12:19:33 PM PST by 88keys
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To: BurbankKarl
Secretary of State Sam Reed...said the enormity of this year's voter registration and turnout may explain some of the clerical mistakes.

Sam Reed said that? Then in addition to being a RINO, he's barely literate.

(Some of us would agree that there was "enormity" in the Dim fraud, however.)

46 posted on 01/07/2005 12:38:42 PM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: longtermmemmory
Is seems clear the mess was made worse.

Actually, I honestly believe Logan "reduced" the amount of problems. It was a horrible mess, now it is just a bad mess.

Having said that, Logan, Sims and the County Council are still responsible for not cleaning things up adequately.

47 posted on 01/07/2005 1:10:13 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: 88keys
What a wonderful analysis!

The only problem is that I don't think that either Mr. Sims is that "intelligent" to pull it all off and I don't think the democrats of King County are "smart enough and dedicated enough" to attempt this. Organized Labor, Certain radical civil rights groups, and some radical feminists groups might be dedicated enough to try to really steal the election, but I am not sure the King County Democrats are.

I could see out-of-state get out the vote groups trying to steal the election, but nobody thought it was going to be close . The convensional wisdom was that Chris G had it locked up. Therefore, it is unlikely that an out-of-state group would have infiltrated or spent the kind of money required to add a couple thousand votes prior to Nov 2nd to a Democratic forecast Governors victory election.

48 posted on 01/07/2005 1:16:46 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: BurbankKarl

Stinkin' reporters: They lead with a story of one of the few republican's who cheated in this election, trying to make it appear that both parties cheat.


49 posted on 01/07/2005 4:57:11 PM PST by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: Spok
I'm amazed at how hard this journalist had to work to dig up 2 apparently fradulent Republican votes. I say apparently because the bias is so transparent, I wouldn't put it past this quartet of reporters to simply plant the quotes or find a friendly voter to go along with their suggestion.

Nonetheless, assuming the stories are true, it is a tinkle in the ocean compared to the stories they apparently didn't find worth investigating such as:

  1. Comingling provisional ballots with valid ballots in King County.
  2. 400 plus people all using the same government office as their address-- again in King County.
  3. 700 suddenly discovered new votes after the two recounts, again in King County.
  4. 3500 more votes than voters-- again in King County.

50 posted on 01/07/2005 6:06:39 PM PST by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: discostu

It wouldn't have mattered if your grandma had died after voting.

She cast a legitimate ballot. It's would be no difference if she had been hit by a car leaving the polls.

The vote would still be legitimate.

Your post sounds like she got better. I hope so.


51 posted on 01/07/2005 6:42:30 PM PST by texasflower (Liberty can change habits. ~ President George W. Bush 10/08/04)
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To: texasflower

Unfortunately no. She held on past the holidays, but turned into a sad excuse for a family reunion, thanks for the well wishes though, things like that count.


52 posted on 01/08/2005 7:14:16 PM PST by discostu (mime is money)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm; SandyInSeattle
SOURCE: http://www.conservativeaction.org/resources.php3?nameid=votefraud

How Democrats Steal Elections - Top 10 Methods of Liberal Vote Fraud

1. Over-Voting. In Democrat strongholds like St. Louis, Philadelphia and Detroit, some precincts had 100% of their registered voters voting, with 99% of the ballots going to Gore. Clearly, multiple voting resulted in extra tallies for Gore in the 2000 election. (New York Post, 12/09/00).

2. Dead Voters. This classic Democratic method of vote fraud goes all the way back to 1960 in Chicago and Dallas. The 2000 election was no exception. In Miami-Dade County, for example, some of the 144 ineligible votes (those which officials actually admitted to) were cast by dead people, including a Haitian-American who's been deceased since 1977 (Miami-Herald, 12/24/00).

3. Mystery Voters. These "voters" cast votes anyway but are not even registered to vote. In heavily Democratic Broward County, for example, more than 400 ballots were cast by non-registered voters. (Miami-Herald 1/09/01)

4. Military ballots. Many of these votes were disqualified for the most mundane and trivial reasons. At least 1,527 valid military ballots were discarded in Florida by Democratic vote counters (Drudge Report, 11/19/00).

5. Criminals. Felons are a natural Democratic voter and they're protected on voter rolls across the country. In Florida at least 445 ex-convicts - including rapists and murderers -- voted illegally on November 7th. Nearly all of them were registered Democrats. (Miami-Herald 12/01/00)

6. Illegal aliens. These voters have long been a core liberal constituency, especially in California. In Orange County in 1996, Rep. Bob Dornan had his congressional seat stolen from him when thousands of illegal aliens voted for Loretta Sanchez (Christian Science Monitor, 9/2/97).

7. Vote-buying. Purchasing votes has long been a traditional scheme by Democrats, and not just with money. In the 2000 election in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Democratic workers initiate a "smokes-for-votes" campaign in which they paid dozens of homeless men with cigarettes if they cast ballots for Al Gore (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, 11/14/00).

8. Phantom Voters. These voters don't really exist, but their ballots do. In the 1996 Lousiana Senate race, GOP candidate Woody Jenkins had the election stolen from him when he discovered that 7,454 actual votes were cast but had no paper trail to authenticate them (Behind the Headlines, F.R. Duplantier, 4/27/97).

9. Dimpled chads. Those infamous punch-cards were a ballot bonanza for Al Gore. Democratic poll workers in Palm Beach, Dade and Broward counties tampered and manipulated thousands of ineligible ballots and counted them for Gore, even though no clear vote could be discerned. (NewsMax.com 11/27, 12/22, 11/18, 11/19/00).

10. Absentee ballots. Normally it's assumed that Republicans benefit from absentee ballots. But in the case of Miami's 1997 mayoral election, hundreds of absentee ballots were made for sale or sent out to non-Miami residents. Fraud was so extensive in the race that the final results were overturned in court (FL Dept. of Law Enforcement Report, 1/5/98)."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=votefraud

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=electionfraud

53 posted on 01/10/2005 9:30:34 AM PST by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: BurbankKarl
When isn't a crime a crime? When a Democrat commits it.
54 posted on 01/10/2005 9:31:39 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: SandyInSeattle

Yes and it was a republican dead person as well.

The Seattle Slimes is shameless.


55 posted on 01/10/2005 9:33:36 AM PST by Hostage
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To: BurbankKarl

Fraud is fraud. His wife's eligibility to vote ended with her death. He should be prosecuted.


56 posted on 01/10/2005 9:36:08 AM PST by superskunk (Quinn's Law: Liberalism always produces the exact opposite of it's stated intent.)
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To: aroostook war

http://www.bibliomania.com/0/0/140/2404/


57 posted on 01/10/2005 9:38:40 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

Great link... Thanks!


58 posted on 01/10/2005 4:43:18 PM PST by aroostook war
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To: BurbankKarl

I don't care who the dead person voted for, they don't meet the criteria to vote. Good try Seattle Times.


59 posted on 01/10/2005 4:45:03 PM PST by Vicki (Truth and Reality)
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To: ScottFromSpokane

It's funny that the paper finds a "republican" who helped his dead wife vote for Rossi. I'm guessing that they are trying to deflect from the massive democratic dead who voted by saying that "republicans do it too."

I'm not familiar with the Seattle paper, but here in KC the paper is as liberal a rag as you will find.


60 posted on 01/10/2005 4:48:32 PM PST by MissouriConservative ( Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more; you should never wish to do less. - Robert E. Lee)
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