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1 posted on 01/07/2005 6:07:16 AM PST by Tolik
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    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 

       Let me know if you want in or out

2 posted on 01/07/2005 6:08:17 AM PST by Tolik
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"we are not becoming naïve isolationists of 1930s vintage, who believe that we are safe by ourselves inside fortress America — not after September 11. "

Major flaw --- isolationism had NOTHING to do with Sept 11, 2001 - except that it could have prevented it.

We do have the capability of sealing our country from the world and destroying anyone who would dare enter or attack.

But, isolationism is NOT the answer - we must maintain our strength and power, and we also must keep our HONOR and COURAGE = unknown words to the leftists and lawyers.


3 posted on 01/07/2005 6:13:39 AM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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While I don't agree with all of Hanson's enthusiasm for US globalism this presentation is a dramatic picture of what one sort of global order might have emerged if the US did indeed withdraw from the world stage as many paleocon and libertarian oriented conservatives wish. What would be useful in the ongoing debate over the purposes of US foreign policy would be for the Lib/paleocon right to confront the possibility that by withdrawing from most global military and political engagement the results could be much more threatening to the physical existence of the US than whatever level of hostility current US policies generate.
4 posted on 01/07/2005 6:16:23 AM PST by robowombat
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Best piece yet by Hanson--and that's saying something!


5 posted on 01/07/2005 6:19:30 AM PST by CivilWarguy
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America First, Last and Always! The secret of our strength is that we are one of the few nations on the planet which can go almost entirely self-sufficient. Let's fortify the borders, discourage foreigners and rebuild our exported industries to 21st century specs. Rebuild the metal and textile sectors. Vigorously defend against foreign knockoffs of our patents. Replace most in-country flight with high efficiency rail. Win the cultural war by smashing the Big Media cartels and instituting local and regional news/entertainment sources. We can do these things.


8 posted on 01/07/2005 6:34:45 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Their women give good lamentation, maybe we can conquer them again sometime.)
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I love this man's mind.


12 posted on 01/07/2005 6:38:59 AM PST by bikepacker67 ("This is the best election night in history." -- DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe 11/2/04 8pm)
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Someone should write a book about what the world would be like if the United States had never existed. Or what it would be like if all Americans just disappeared. I've thought about doing it, but it's probably more than I could handle.


13 posted on 01/07/2005 6:49:10 AM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (A tagline! A tagline! My kingdom for a tagline!)
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I will accept Hansen's notion of a large number of Americans who are finally tiring of the idiocies of the rest of the world when I see a groundswell of public opinion to get the hell out of the UN.


14 posted on 01/07/2005 6:49:47 AM PST by bowzer313
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The analogy with "High Noon", "Shane" and other westerns works very, very well.

Great Article!


19 posted on 01/07/2005 6:57:02 AM PST by SolutionsOnly (but some people really NEED to be offended...)
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Imagine a world in which there was no United States during the last 15 years.

I can imagine it. It would be called the World Union of Soviet Socialist Republics!

Those of us who survived (very few would be those who inhabit FReerepublic) would wake up daily to our chains and gulags, thankful if the Black Marias didn't visit our apartment blocks this morning at 3 AM.

22 posted on 01/07/2005 7:05:18 AM PST by Gritty ("Outside our shores there is a growing barbarism with no other sheriff in sight"-VD Hanson)
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Americans know all that — and yet they grasp that their own vigilance and military sacrifices have earned them spite rather than gratitude. And they are ever so slowly learning not much to care anymore.

100% agree!

23 posted on 01/07/2005 7:07:33 AM PST by technochick99
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Hanson bump!


30 posted on 01/07/2005 8:46:03 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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Above all, the United States MUST remain powerful and strong and must defend herself and her allies--and remain capable of doing so. The American people must unite behind America's benevolent purpose and the American Dream. The anti-American Left--embodied in the Americacidal Democrat Party--must be dopped into the oubliette of history where it belongs--and all vestiges of the '60's hippy-tantrum along with it.
"Outside our shores there is a growing barbarism with no other sheriff in sight"
And its most destructive--and understandably anti-American--currents are Islam, European decadence, and Russian corruption. The violence-promoting rhetoric and self-serving propaganda of the American Left--including yesterday's inflammatory attack by Congressional Democrats on the 2004 U.S. Presidential Election--pour gasoline on the flames of worldwide anti-Americanism and further inflame America's enemies, both domestic and foreign.
"Muslim charities advertise to their donors that their aid goes to fellow Muslims — as if a dying Buddhist or Christian is less deserving of the Muslim Street's aid."
Do not forget. To the Muslim mind, Infidels are deserving of no justice, no rights, no help, and no mercy. Such is the nature of the god they serve.

The overt and declared goal of Islam is the establishment of a worldwide Islamic theocracy with the Koran as the only constitution, dhimmitude for all non-Muslims, and the shariah as international law. For this reason alone--the United States must remain the strongest and most powerful nation the world has ever known, and her resolve must be adamantine.

The world is dangerous. America is its greatest hope.

We must not fail.

31 posted on 01/07/2005 9:01:52 AM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President George W. Bush!)
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Hanson uses a good analogy. May I suggest another one to explain Europe and the United Nations? My coworker owns a large lot out in the country. It takes a lot of maintenance. He is getting up there in years and he hires a local young man who is borderline retarded but "strong as a horse". The young man earns some spending money to supplement his SSI and my coworker gets the hard, dirty work done without hurting himself. Win-win. The thing is, I believe that's what Europe and the United Nations wants the United States to do: the dirty work and leave the thinking to the smart ones (them). They are perfectly happy to see us maintain an expensive, high degree of readiness to serve or defend. They just want to be the ones to tell us where to go and what to do. Bypassing them makes them, of course, superfluous and "smart people" can't stand being considered superfluous. So Europe and the United Nations work overtime to convince our home-grown "intellectuals" that only Europeans and international diplomats can possibly understand world affairs. They characterize our efforts abroad as bull-in-a-china-shop disasters. They want us strong. They just don't want us uppity. As long as we are willing to act the part of brawn-without-brains, we are being a constructive part of the "world community", according to these "experts". Doing things on our own threaten their entire house of cards.


32 posted on 01/07/2005 9:16:35 AM PST by caseinpoint
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VDH has touched on a fundamental fact of the cold-war world: free-riding. If you look at data on military spending from SIPRI you find that Germany, France and the UK are all spending considerably less in real terms on defense than in the early 1990s. Only the US among the NATO powers is spending more. Other nations are free-riding off the overwhelming military might of the US, both in terms of military spending and in terms of foreign-policy cheating. For the latter, think of France's extensive ties with Saddam, and the attempt by Germany, France and Russia to actively work against what the president of the US decided was a vital US national security interest in Iraq. Think also of the way other powers acquiesce to the deflection of blame by Araby for all of its dysfunctionality on America.

Global security is in economic terms a public good, and the other powers are behaving as economic theory predicts. We should get used to being unloved and indeed actively sabotaged for as long as we maintain the burden of preserving global order. In some sense it's a miracle that the UK and Australia have stood by us as steadfastly as they have.

40 posted on 01/07/2005 12:09:00 PM PST by untenured
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...Arab monstrocracies...

An excellent VDH coinage.

41 posted on 01/07/2005 12:39:43 PM PST by Yardstick
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bttt


43 posted on 01/07/2005 3:05:03 PM PST by swilhelm73 (Like the archers of Agincourt, ... the Swiftboat Veterans took down their own haughty Frenchman.)
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Apparently the crime against America is not that it gives too little to those who need it, but that it gives too little to those who wish to administer it all.

Key point. What we are experiencing is the outrage of a corrupt class of professional administrators and media experts who feel that the only enlightened world order is one with them in charge. Kings at least had to fight for their "divine" right to rule. These folks claim it by virtue of claiming it.

44 posted on 01/07/2005 3:33:32 PM PST by Billthedrill
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Old article bump.

Imagine there is no USA...


47 posted on 07/09/2007 7:40:20 PM PDT by listenhillary (Freeze federal spending RIGHT NOW! Maybe in 25 years, we can be out of debt.)
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If Hanson didn’t exist, he would have to be invented.


49 posted on 07/10/2007 8:53:52 AM PDT by poindexter
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