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Texas Begins a Huge Highway Project; Not All Are Happy
The New York Times ^ | January 1, 2005 | THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 01/05/2005 3:10:55 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Tuxedo
Where is the corridor supposed to run? Are they upgrading US281, or US77? They could also extend I-44 from Wichita Falls to the south.

Here's a map of the concept. The corridor parallel to I-35 is about 50 miles east of San Antonio and goes through Seguin.

141 posted on 01/15/2005 10:35:18 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Houston and Dallas/Fort Worth should be bulldozed for any highway. They are the two butt-ugliest metro areas in the USA.


142 posted on 01/15/2005 10:37:10 PM PST by Clemenza (President: Liger Breeders of the Pacific Northwest)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Ain't shi+ in Texas down that corridor. Waxachie hasn't much, and Waco isn't close to nowhere. The only problem is, the best place for an obscene cement mess is West Texas hell where nowhere meets nowhere and El Paso meets the second Bakersfield.
143 posted on 01/15/2005 10:39:23 PM PST by Porterville (Never compromise what is right. Take your time to insult a liberal or have one unemployed.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; BobL
Doesn't 610 have about half the radius of Beltway 8? That seemed to be what was showing on maps of the area, IIRC.

Loop 610 was designed so that if a 10 megaton bomb exploded in downtown Houston and destroyed the interchanges between US59, I-10, and I-45, it would still be possible for Houston to be connected to the Interstate Highway system via Loop 610.

144 posted on 01/15/2005 10:40:08 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Clemenza

What an evil thing to say.

Noboy will drive anymore if it costs more than a 1 penny a mile from DFW to New Mexico or from DFW to Houston or DFW to SA.

They're gonna price transportatation right out of the marketplace for travelers unless it's very, very cheap.. IE near free. People just won't travel anymore if costs too much.


145 posted on 01/15/2005 10:50:34 PM PST by Kornev
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To: Kornev
hey're gonna price transportatation right out of the marketplace for travelers unless it's very, very cheap.. IE near free. People just won't travel anymore if costs too much.

It already costs about $0.40 per mile to operate a car.

146 posted on 01/15/2005 10:56:56 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Add another 20 cents to that.. Asking for a lot of empty roads.


147 posted on 01/15/2005 11:29:04 PM PST by Kornev
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To: Kornev
Add another 20 cents to that.. Asking for a lot of empty roads.

I-35 isn't empty. I could save a couple of hours driving to Dallas or Ft. Worth if I didn't have to go through San Antonio and Austin first.

148 posted on 01/15/2005 11:37:03 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Slyfox

I'm no expert but I-35 would probably be improved greatly by just adding another lane.

Adding lanes to a freeway does nothing to speed traffic. Shutting off exits would speed it up more.Limited access highways are needed and toll roads fill that need. Houston has greatly improved it's traffic flow in the past 15 years by the tollroads on the beltway.


149 posted on 01/15/2005 11:47:12 PM PST by Figment (Ich bin ein Jesuslander)
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To: Kornev

More money for Herb Kelleher!


150 posted on 01/15/2005 11:50:36 PM PST by Clemenza (President: Liger Breeders of the Pacific Northwest)
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To: Figment; Slyfox
I'm no expert but I-35 would probably be improved greatly by just adding another lane.

I-35 needed another lane 20 years ago. Maybe it will be finished ten years from now. But by then, it will need another lane or two. After the current expansion, there's no room on the existing right of way to add anymore lanes. By 2040 there will be over forty million people living in Texas (double the current populuation). The existing Interstate highway system was designed for a life of 30 years. It has now been almost 50 years since the Interstate Hiway Act was signed. We need to plan for the next 50 years not just incrementally add to the existing infrastructure.

151 posted on 01/15/2005 11:57:38 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: narby

3) The toll road from downtown Dallas had nothing along it but houses, while I-35 had businesses and growth.


Businesses and growth are what slows down traffic. Limited access higways move commerce over long distances faster. If you want buisness and growth on your highways, make them all two lanes


152 posted on 01/15/2005 11:59:08 PM PST by Figment (Ich bin ein Jesuslander)
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To: Figment; Slyfox; Kornev; Clemenza
Adding lanes to a freeway does nothing to speed traffic. Shutting off exits would speed it up more.Limited access highways are needed and toll roads fill that need. Houston has greatly improved it's traffic flow in the past 15 years by the tollroads on the beltway.

That depends on how entrance/exit ramps are designed. The entrance/exit ramps on I-35 between Austin and Hillsborough are atrocious and very dangerous with very short and abrupt merges from the access roads to the freeway. I-37 has much better ramps

153 posted on 01/16/2005 12:01:58 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: BobL

"98% of the Interstate Highway system was built with taxes"

Only 98%? Who paid the other 2%?


154 posted on 01/16/2005 12:07:30 AM PST by Figment (Ich bin ein Jesuslander)
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To: Paleo Conservative

LOL, were will you save money going to Dallas with a 20 cent a mile toll?


155 posted on 01/16/2005 12:11:53 AM PST by Kornev
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To: BobL

"Hey they are expanding 610 in Houston now it runs just a little inside the Beltway 8 toll road...."



That would be a feat beyond imagination. Texas traffic engineers are good, but that ain't possible


156 posted on 01/16/2005 12:25:53 AM PST by Figment (Ich bin ein Jesuslander)
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To: DblDn11

I suspect the TX corridor will one day be viewed similarly.

I suspect you and Perry are right. No one ever went wrong speeding up commerce


157 posted on 01/16/2005 12:29:47 AM PST by Figment (Ich bin ein Jesuslander)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

bttp


158 posted on 01/16/2005 12:32:51 AM PST by rock58seg (The real enemy of good is perfect.)
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To: deport

Well if it fails then those private investors will have some of the longest runways in the world..... Damn what an airport hub.


One of the rules for the interstates was that one of every five miles of road was to be straight. The reason was to be usable as a runway in emergency.


159 posted on 01/16/2005 12:33:56 AM PST by Figment (Ich bin ein Jesuslander)
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To: IVote2

a toll road is never EVER paid for, and the fee never goes away, it might rise but it surely won't go down.

The toll road in Dallas was paid for and the booths came down many years ago


160 posted on 01/16/2005 12:40:40 AM PST by Figment (Ich bin ein Jesuslander)
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