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To: annyokie
This is the article that caused a huge split between Rand and the Conservative movement (Buckley et al). Speaking of gas chambers, and comparing her to Nazis shows someone who hasn't read the book, because she explicitly talks about the non-initiation of force.

Chambers, a former Communist, used that old canard of the Reds; anything we don't like must be Fascist.
4 posted on 01/05/2005 11:36:03 AM PST by aynrandfreak (If 9/11 didn't change you, you're a bad human being)
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To: aynrandfreak

...The embarrassing similarities between Hitler's National Socialism and Stalin's brand of Communism...

The blind pig snuffles up an acorn.
Similar because they are the same.

Ayn's description is perfectly apt.
Whether Communists, Fascists, Progressives or whatever, they are all socialist looters, and their useful idiots, moochers.


5 posted on 01/05/2005 11:39:16 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: aynrandfreak
Whittaker Chambers was instrumental in sending Alger Hiss to prison. To the best of my knowledge about Miss Rand, she seduced her charge, Nathaniel and was no better than Clinton in being tyrannical with her flock.
9 posted on 01/05/2005 11:49:30 AM PST by annyokie (If the shoe fits, put 'em both on!)
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To: aynrandfreak
Sometimes one gets the impression that Chambers changed his alliance but not his beliefs.
13 posted on 01/05/2005 11:54:05 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: aynrandfreak
Speaking of gas chambers, and comparing her to Nazis shows someone who hasn't read the book, because she explicitly talks about the non-initiation of force.

Your comment "shows someone who hasn't read," or at least, has not understood, Chambers's review. He gave reasons for his assertions, and his reasons are believable because they are based on history. We've seen his assertions concerning the trend toward dictatorship borne out in practice all throughout history.

And, specifically to Ms. Rand, we can simply look at her personal history to see that she was not particularly different in that regard. Consider her famous tendency to "excommunicate" those disciples who dared to disagree, for example; or the personality cult from which the dissidents were excommunicated; or her egregious "objectively justified" infidelity to her husband.

Chambers, a former Communist, used that old canard of the Reds; anything we don't like must be Fascist.

I must admit to being very impressed at your use of an ad hominem attack based on Chambers's alleged ad hominem attack.

As it happens, Chambers very publicly recanted his former Communist views; however, he made a point of never forgetting them -- and in the case of Ms. Rand, he clearly recognized the same sorts of totalitarian impulses to which he'd been a party in the Party.

As for myself, I used to think Ayn Rand's philosophy was pretty swell, until I tried to follow her advice and use reason to prove it. In so doing, I discovered that Ayn Rand was a fraud: her philosophy is "objective" if and only if you accept her axioms -- even when the real world suggests that they are incorrect. And when you make an honest attempt to do the same, I think you'll come to the same conclusion.

87 posted on 01/05/2005 1:34:00 PM PST by r9etb
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To: aynrandfreak
Chambers, a former Communist, used that old canard of the Reds; anything we don't like must be Fascist.

Whittaker Chambers is a truely heroic figure unlike, say, Hank Reardon, a work of fiction.

130 posted on 01/05/2005 5:42:44 PM PST by Tribune7
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