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Are we a republic or a democracy?
townhall.com ^ | 1/05/05 | Walter E. Williams

Posted on 01/04/2005 9:37:45 PM PST by kattracks

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To: kattracks

Civics btt


21 posted on 01/04/2005 10:04:46 PM PST by sully777 (our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: SpaceBar

hehehe... so... why'd you leave your home planet, really? What color is the sky there?


22 posted on 01/04/2005 10:09:38 PM PST by Ramius (Gregoirovich Nyet!)
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To: kattracks

Democracy = Mob rule.
Republic = Representative form of government.


23 posted on 01/04/2005 10:10:45 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens.)
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To: wardaddy
We have drifted towards a democracy and worse....the land of judicial fiat. Neither were in the minds of the founders

The first Republican president is responsible for destroying the bulwark of our Republic - State sovereignty and the 10th amendment. We were left with a consolidated democracy.

24 posted on 01/04/2005 10:12:48 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: SpaceBar
"We are ultimately an oligarchy of multinational corporations and their attorneys if you must know the ugly truth."

At least their motives are transparent; their sole purpose is to make money. When financial gain is the motive, you at least have a negotiating position, modest as it may be.

But when judicail fiat and political ideology rule your life by people that are 'doing it for your own good', you are totally screwed. Those peoples motivation is power, and that's not negotiable.

25 posted on 01/04/2005 10:17:52 PM PST by tjg
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To: Gunslingr3
"The first Republican president is responsible for destroying the bulwark of our Republic - State sovereignty and the 10th amendment. We were left with a consolidated democracy."

I've spent a fair amount of time over the years, thinking about this and believe your statement is accurate.

It's posible though, that the lesson of the civil war is that strong state's rights and a weak federal government just didn't work. It's also possible that a corallary is that a republic is less effective than the democracy they were protecting against in the first place.

I'm not saying that I'm conviced of either of those ideas, but it something to think about.

26 posted on 01/04/2005 10:26:17 PM PST by tjg
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To: kattracks
Kat,

I noticed the other day when I did a self search to find a thread that I've made over 2000 posts to FR. I was surprised when I saw that, because I though it was a lot. My second thought was if I've done that many, I wonder how many Kattracks has made. I'll bet you have close to the record, whatever it is.

27 posted on 01/04/2005 10:31:26 PM PST by tjg
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To: kattracks
We're a Bureaucracy.

Armies of government parasites in government towns (even government states - like Maryland and Connecticut) wasn't exactly what the Founders envisioned.

28 posted on 01/04/2005 10:37:38 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: kattracks
Williams is one smart guy!!!

You know, the push to violate this principle comes from both sides though. Some try to say that the constitution grants rights it does not grant (and they assume rights are from gov't, not God). Others try to say that a majority can do anything it wants. The Constitution was never meant to grant license to the individual. But there are rights granted to mankind from God that no government should ever take away. Majorities can make decisions that affect their lives and values, especially at the local level. They cannot take basic rights like speech, worship, voting, property, etc.

The joke is that most of the rights actually mentioned in the Bill of Rights have been violated. These days, the only Constitutional rights worth the paper they are written on are the ones not actually written on paper, but rather found in the shadows (judicial imaginations) of the Constitution.

29 posted on 01/04/2005 10:49:34 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: tjg
It's posible though, that the lesson of the civil war is that strong state's rights and a weak federal government just didn't work.

Works to what end? You have to keep in mind the original Republican party's platform of higher taxes and government directed expenditure and enterprise (Lincoln's policies in this respect are more akin to FDR than anyone else). As they threatened in the '30's, the South Carolina bolted the Union to avoid Washington DC's thirst for taxes.

It's also possible that a corallary is that a republic is less effective than the democracy they were protecting against in the first place.

Again, less effective at what? Madison's point in Federalist #10 is that factions can easily coalesce to form majorities and impose their will.

I think America's best hope for liberty in the future is the dissolution of the Union, and the maintenance of our free trade. The original charter has been usurped beyond recognition. Washington D.C. was never intended to have the monopoly on political power it garnered itself on the battlefields it made of the South.

30 posted on 01/04/2005 10:52:07 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: K4Harty

I am not. All I am saying is that calling yourself a democratic republic doesn't guarantee either, like DPR Korea and East Germany as you have pointed out.


31 posted on 01/04/2005 11:23:50 PM PST by econ_grad
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To: wardaddy

What the founders created was a constitutionally limited democratically elected representative republic. IF we can keep it, said Ben Franklin.


32 posted on 01/04/2005 11:24:47 PM PST by raygun
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To: kattracks
CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC

If we can keep it.

/jasper

33 posted on 01/04/2005 11:29:51 PM PST by Jasper ("Power flows from the barrel of a 10mm pistol.")
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To: kattracks

what kind of idiot would consier us a democracy?


34 posted on 01/04/2005 11:31:23 PM PST by Porterville (Never compromise what is right. Take your time to insult a liberal or have one unemployed.)
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To: tjg; kattracks
I've made over 2000 posts to FR. I was surprised when I saw that, because I though it was a lot. My second thought was if I've done that many, I wonder how many Kattracks has made.

I know it's optional, but it sure would be interesting if you mad posters put at least a little something biographical about yourselves on your profile pages.

35 posted on 01/04/2005 11:58:10 PM PST by FreeKeys ("Most bad government results from too much government." – Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Andrew LB
NO,we are most assuredly not! We are a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC.
36 posted on 01/05/2005 12:02:40 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Porterville

Newbies on FR.


37 posted on 01/05/2005 12:06:35 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Andrew LB

Nope. Constitutional Republic with limited elements of democracy.


38 posted on 01/05/2005 12:11:43 AM PST by BikerTrash (Enough already with the carnival freak show...bring back COOL!)
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To: kattracks

Sure the founding fathers created a republic, but we now have, for the most part, a democracy. We might as well not even have a consititution, it is routinely ignored by Republicans and especially the Baathists, er Democrats.

FDR and the 17th Amendment really got us on the path to democracy. Because of FDR, people have figured out that they can vote themselves goodies from the public treasury. When the majority of the people start doing this, we are doomed.

We are in a precarious position when something like 40% of all Americans (and illegals) receive some kind of a check from the government.


39 posted on 01/05/2005 2:13:02 AM PST by foobeca
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To: tjg
It's possible though, that the lesson of the civil war is that strong state's rights and a weak federal government just didn't work.

Sure-- it didn't work if you're a power hungry politician. It didn't work if your goal is to exercise your will over a nation of free people. It didn't work if you would rather consolidate power among your buddies in Washington than let the free market and the conscience of free citizens take their course...

40 posted on 01/05/2005 4:33:10 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Are the leftists still allowing us to say 'Happy New Year'?)
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