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To: Ben Ficklin; Howlin
Do you think they read the 9/11 report, Wm. Buckley, Toney Blankley, David Frum? They all disagree with you along with 75 to 100 REPUBLICAN congress people. You know better. What you're trying to do is convince someone who doesn't know any better.

What you and the others who give sacred status to Pres. Bush's "immigration" reform really want to say is DO NOT CRITISIZE ANY THING THIS PRESIDENT DOES. Why don't you just come out and say it.

Most of us worked our butts off for Bush. That's why I signed on here when I did, because he needed all of our help before the election. He's wrong on this and your incessant defense of it will never make it right and makes you just as disgusting as the democrats defense of Clinton when he was wrong. I believe Pres. Bush is a good man, and his "feelings" are in the way of logic and the reality most of us face. I will not believe he appreciates those blindly loyal to him. I may be wrong, and that is the real tragedy if it is true.

"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism...The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin...would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities."

Teddy Roosevelt, Republican President (Speech, New York, 1915)

I will not engage you again, until you want to get honest about this invasion. Ben, you were almost there the other day, what happened? Get a new set of talking points? I remember how EVERYONE bitched about the Dem talking points during Clinton.

25 posted on 01/04/2005 3:05:55 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government recieves plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: JustAnotherSavage
You know, this Bush Plan gets talked about a lot. Its everywhere in the media and talked about constantly at FR.

But there is something very odd about the Bush Plan, it doesn't exist. Sure, a long time ago he made some public statements about he preferred a guest worker plan, made a few very generalized statements, and said that he would let Congress work out the details.

But all these months later, not one Congressman has worked out any details on the Bush plan. There is no bill in Congress written around the Bush Plan. Very odd.

Now lets look at Senator Cornyn's Guest Worker bill. He introduced that many months ago and got only one co-sponser in the Senate and no one would introduce it into the House.

Do you understand that there is no support in Congress for a guest worker program? There is no Bush Plan.

On the other hand, there are numerous bills in Congress that are widely accepted and supported to differnt degrees and all have one thing in common. That one thing that they have in common is the "earned legalization" language aka "path to citizenship".

Look at the AgJobs bill. There are enough votes in both the House and the Senate to pass that bill but they have to pass a bill that deals with all foreign workers, not just ag workers. The final immigration reform bill will be almost identical to AgJobs, but applied to all foreign workers.

And when this bill comes out of Congress, Bush will be forced to sign because it is the only bill he can get. No doubt, many will blame him.

After it is all said and done, you will look back and regret that you didn't support Bush on this.

33 posted on 01/04/2005 5:51:13 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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