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Second Thoughts about Peppered Moths
The Scientist, Volume 13 ^ | May 24, 1999. | Jonathon Wells, Ph.D

Posted on 01/04/2005 7:28:52 AM PST by DouglasKC

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To: AntiGuv
Evidence of selective predation in the peppered moth is not lacking. It is just not provided in the quick text book descriptions

With this as a premise, please describe in a few statements what is missing.

41 posted on 01/04/2005 9:07:00 AM PST by Old Professer (When the fear of dying no longer obtains no act is unimaginable.)
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To: Rudder

I don't have any problem with the self-regulating nature of 'good science'. But, while science is regulating itself through 'better science', generations of people go to their graves not knowing that the things they believed so wholeheartedly are now false.

Wouldn't it be better to teach it as theory than as fact?


42 posted on 01/04/2005 9:07:57 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: DouglasKC
The article is kind of dry,

This article is 1999. Not exactly news/current events.

43 posted on 01/04/2005 9:10:17 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: keats5

This is old news, but sill new to many in America.
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You can count me as one who didn't know that until now. I'm glad this was posted. I had no clue.


44 posted on 01/04/2005 9:11:09 AM PST by exnavychick (I'm no expert, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!)
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To: ColoCdn
Wouldn't it be better to teach it as theory

Duh. It is called the Theory of Evolution.

45 posted on 01/04/2005 9:11:32 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: DouglasKC; Poohbah; mhking; section9

46 posted on 01/04/2005 9:14:17 AM PST by hchutch (A pro-artificial turf, pro-designated hitter baseball fan.)
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To: DouglasKC

Seems the good Reverand does not practice science but lets his beliefs rather than facts determine his destiny.

"Rev. Wells decided in 1976 to "devote my life to destroying Darwinism" since it is incompatible with the beliefs of the Unification Church (the "Moonies"). "


47 posted on 01/04/2005 9:16:52 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: WildTurkey

The Ping List must have been activated. Haven't heard your inanity in quite a while.


48 posted on 01/04/2005 9:20:02 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: AntiGuv

"Dear Donald, Just a quick note to say that the response you received is fairly typical of what happens when people who have no knowledge or experience of an organism or group of organisms, think that they 'know' what is going on. As usual, the response is subjective and ill-informed."

He is being too kind. The Dear Mr. Donald set out on a course decades ago to "destroy darwinism" not because of the facts but because it conflicted with his Unitarian faith and has no qualms of slanting the truth.


49 posted on 01/04/2005 9:23:14 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: ColoCdn
The Ping List must have been activated. Haven't heard your inanity in quite a while.

Of course your inanity means you have no meaningful posts and you are not able to refute mine.

50 posted on 01/04/2005 9:27:34 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: exnavychick
You can count me as one who didn't know that until now. I'm glad this was posted. I had no clue.

Have you read the posts refuting the good Reverend and his statements where he is driven by religion, not facts, in his pursuit?

51 posted on 01/04/2005 9:29:54 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: DouglasKC

Gray Peppered Moths and Brilliant Minds

(interesting essay on Peppered Moths and ADHD)

http://ldresources.com/articles/moths_minds.html


52 posted on 01/04/2005 9:30:39 AM PST by SteveH
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To: WildTurkey

I think I missed those. I will have to go back and read them. Thanks for the tip.


53 posted on 01/04/2005 9:32:06 AM PST by exnavychick (I'm no expert, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!)
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To: DouglasKC
The article is kind of dry,

Actually, I found it fascinating. What's especially interesting to me is that the author does not mention any direct experiments regarding melanism and SO2 levels, even though there are empirical observations suggesting a strong correlation between the two.

A chemical explanation -- for instance, that sulfur dioxide affects egg development; or even more likely, affects the development of the leaf-eating caterpillars; makes a lot of sense.

54 posted on 01/04/2005 9:46:16 AM PST by r9etb
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To: WildTurkey

"Of course your inanity means you have no meaningful posts and you are not able to refute mine."


LOL!!! That was the most humorous thing you've said in the countless posts you've sent my way!!!

Been down that road with you, haven't I? About a million contrarian times.

You must be enjoying retirement too much. Got way more time on your hands than you need.


55 posted on 01/04/2005 9:49:52 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: RaceBannon
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b6ac79f6d40.htm Old news, but your article is much nicer! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/642903/posts

Thanks for the links...sometimes the search feature works and sometimes it doesn't!

56 posted on 01/04/2005 11:05:35 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

....and Pepper upsets Muttly's digestion.

.....(brruuuup !)...s'cuse me.


57 posted on 01/04/2005 11:11:49 AM PST by PoorMuttly (QUANDO OMNI FLUNKUS MORITATI (When all else fails, play dead) - Red Green/Possum Lodge motto)
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To: shekkian
Dead moths were glued to the trees.

I thought you were kidding until I read a link by racebannon. Wow.

58 posted on 01/04/2005 11:15:26 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: ColoCdn
I don't have any problem with the self-regulating nature of 'good science'. But, while science is regulating itself through 'better science', generations of people go to their graves not knowing that the things they believed so wholeheartedly are now false.

This is what irks me. Math is math. I can go back 30 years ago to what I learned and it's still valid because it's truth.

English is english. I can go back 30 years ago to what I learned and it's still valid because it's truth.

Math is math. I can go back 30 years ago to what I learned and it's still valid because it's truth.

Music is music. Chemistry is chemistry. Astronomy is astronomy. But evolution seems to rank right up there with astrology...it depends on what you believe and who you believe is making the readings.

59 posted on 01/04/2005 11:19:13 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: ColoCdn

I have thought evolution was taught as theory. So I would agree with you on that.


60 posted on 01/04/2005 11:23:26 AM PST by Rudder
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