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Senate Coverage -- (January '05)
The Senate & House ^ | 1-04-05 | US CONGRESS

Posted on 01/04/2005 4:53:00 AM PST by OXENinFLA

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To: Txsleuth
Looks like they might be out at 2pm, accoring to C-span.

They have a TBA @ 2 o'clock.

I don't mind the quorum calls when they play music. I just wish they'd give a bit of warning before they started playing it.
21 posted on 01/04/2005 10:56:58 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Txsleuth; MKM1960

IMO Obama is being groomed, or grooming himself, for a Presidential run.

My bet is his was using it as a prop.

I've never liked him. Started following him during his Senate run, I wanted Keyes to win, and there's just something about him that gives me a bad vibe.

I caught some of him and Keyes's debates and watching Obama talk was like watching a snakeoil salesman sell his goods. Yes, even more so than most other dems..


22 posted on 01/04/2005 11:05:43 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Txsleuth

Hastert on over in the House talking about SS.


23 posted on 01/04/2005 11:07:52 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: All
Senator Boxer Agrees to Electoral College Challenge, Will Keep 'Politcal Cover' Unitl Thursday
24 posted on 01/04/2005 11:09:09 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

I couldn't tell you now where I read it, but way back at the first of the year when all of the campaigns started gearing up, I read something about Obama and it was kind of scary. The article indicated that he is waaaaaaaaay left.

He may be "new" Jesse Jackson--quick with speech, saying a lot of words fast so that the person listening doesn't have time to really HEAR what he says---I agree about the snake oil salesman comparison.

Already the dem TV pundits like Alan Colmes and such have been touting him as Hillary's running mate in 2008--and some have even gone so far as to predict HE will run in 2008. PUHLEEEEEEEEEEZE!


25 posted on 01/04/2005 11:23:47 AM PST by Txsleuth (Proud to be a Texan)
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To: OXENinFLA
NTS Frist talking about Filibuster
26 posted on 01/04/2005 12:12:37 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Txsleuth

Yeah, It's Thursday.............I got this from MoveOn today....

[BARF ALERT!!]




Dear MoveOn member,
We hate to start the New Year with bad news, but on Thursday, the Senate will consider Alberto Gonzales' nomination to become Attorney General, replacing John Ashcroft. Gonzales is the White House counsel notorious for opening the door to torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay prisons. Senators should view the Gonzales nomination very skeptically, given this radical history. As part of the upcoming hearings, we're calling on Senators to ask Gonzales to unequivocally renounce torture as an instrument of American policy.

You can ask Gonzales and Senators to prohibit torture by clicking here:

http://www.moveon.org/gonzales/

We're working with a strong coalition -- including Amnesty International, FaithfulAmerica, TrueMajority, and Win Without War -- to ask Gonzales to sign our Declaration Against Torture. Gonzales should renounce his extreme and dangerous position, and reaffirm American respect for human dignity and the rule of law.

Gonzales' record is appalling. Prisoners of war from all nations have long been protected by the Geneva Conventions. In 2002, Gonzales wrote a memo to President Bush arguing the war on terror renders the Geneva Conventions "quaint" and "obsolete."1 His radical legal reasoning opened the door to the terrible abuses at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay.2 Even in light of this atrocity, Gonzales has never retracted or clarified what has come to be known as the secret "Torture Memo."

For more than a century, the U.S. has opposed the torture of prisoners through the Geneva Conventions and the U.N. Convention Against Torture. American law prohibits torture, allowing no exceptions whatsoever. Gonzales' argument gives President Bush, as commander in chief, the authority to sidestep laws passed by Congress. In so doing, he replaced the traditional notion of checks and balances with a presidential power more akin to that of a king.

Torture isn't just immoral and illegal -- it's a strategic mistake that makes us all less safe. Responding to Gonzales' torture memo, Secretary of State Colin Powell wrote that ignoring the Geneva Conventions will "undermine the protections of the law of war for our troops." And by inciting anti-American hatred, torture bolsters the position of extremists and boosts terrorist recruitment, making the world less secure. Torture doesn't even work to find out about attacks before they happen, since people usually give falsified information to escape the pain.

As President Bush's chief legal adviser, Gonzales crafted means of evading the founding principle that the U.S. is a nation of laws, not of men. His infamous "Torture Memo" paved the way to Abu Ghraib, robbing America of international respect. Together, we can demand Gonzales renounce torture if he wishes to uphold the law as Attorney General of the United States.

Sign the petition at:

http://www.moveon.org/gonzales/

Thank you for fighting to restore American values to our government, and for all you do.

Sincerely,

--The MoveOn Team
Tuesday, January 4th, 2005

P.S. Thanks for your immense generosity to victims of the tsunami disaster. MoveOn members have raised over $2.6 million for Oxfam America's work in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, and India. By giving, you became part of a worldwide groundswell that compelled governments to increase their giving -- resulting in a record total $2 billion pledged.

Footnotes:
1. Former Military Leaders Oppose Gonzales Nomination, Bloomberg News, January 3, 2005
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=632

2. Fresh Details Emerge on Harsh Methods at Guantanamo, New York Times, January 1, 2005
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/01/national/01gitmo.html


27 posted on 01/04/2005 12:13:46 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

bttt


28 posted on 01/04/2005 12:36:25 PM PST by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: OXENinFLA
He, his wife and kids were doing their damnedest to look like the new mullein's version of JFK and Jackie. After reading the press release about the guy who is asking Crown to recall the book. I wonder how much of his bio is a fairy tale. I am not trusting any package the DNC tarts up and tells me is the next new thing. I would have voted for Keyes if I had lived in Illinois, believe me. I live across the river in Kentucky and went to Marion to hear him speak when he opened the downstate office. Great Man.
29 posted on 01/04/2005 12:41:40 PM PST by MKM1960
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To: OXENinFLA

I don't know if you listen to Rush or not but he has been almost apoplectic about this hearing today---

He made the point (that of course I hadn't thought of) that by even bringing Abu Ghraib and/or Gitmo into the confirmation hearings, the committee will be essentially putting on trial the prisoners.

First of all, the memo Gonzalez wrote was referring to Gitmo prisoners, not the ones in AB, but even so, if they disapprove of his nomination and use the prison memo or anything related, they are in essence telling the world that the prisoners ARE POW's (which they are not by Geneva convention rules) and that they (the committee) have decided that they were mistreated which can't be determined without LEGAL hearings.

Of course those LEGAL hearings would be out the window because all of the evidence, would have been used in hearing and therefore jeopardize a "fair" trial for the detainees---any with the judges we have now, they would prolly all be let go.

I know that is long-winded, but I hope you get the drift---
according to Rush this hearing on Thurs. could have major long term ramifications in the War on Terror-and Iraq.

And the dems--do not care!


30 posted on 01/04/2005 12:55:16 PM PST by Txsleuth (Proud to be a Texan)
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To: Txsleuth
It's going to be a fireworks show........

"Executive Nomination "
Senate Judiciary Committee

Full Committee


DATE: January 6, 2005
TIME: 10:00 AM
ROOM: SH 216
OFFICIAL HEARING NOTICE / WITNESS LIST:

December 20, 2004

NOTICE OF HEARING

The Senate Committee on the Judiciary will hold a hearing on the nomination of The Honorable Alberto R. Gonzales, Counsel to President George W. Bush, to be the Attorney General of the United States on Thursday, January 6, 2005 at 10:00 a.m. in Senate Hart Building Room 216.

Senator Specter will preside.

By order of the Chairman

Senate Judiciary Committee

31 posted on 01/05/2005 4:35:56 AM PST by OXENinFLA (Pundits that think Muslims will be swayed by our Tsunami aid do not understand Islam...........)
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To: Txsleuth

No, I missed Rush yesterday.

I get your point though and I think it's been made before regarding the court cases of the soldiers on trial for Abu Ghraib.

It was during some committee meeting, Kennedy had color photos, of leash girl, naked body plies, the hooded guy, that he kept holding up. Trying to pound whoever he was talking to, could have been Rummy, to get him to admit the "torture" was signed off by the White House.


32 posted on 01/05/2005 4:43:44 AM PST by OXENinFLA (Pundits that think Muslims will be swayed by our Tsunami aid do not understand Islam...........)
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PUBLIC SERVICE -- (Senate - January 04, 2005) Mr. REID. ~ [SNIP] People all over America are affected by what we do in the Senate.

The citizens are counting on the Senate to make sure public schools are institutions that we as Americans are proud of. The American people are counting on us to make their life better by making medical care easier for them to come by. People are counting on the Senate so a child's ability to go to college will not be determined by how much money the parents have. People are counting on Congress to make sure Social Security is a stable fund they can depend on. People are counting on Congress to make sure the environment is good, so the water we drink is pure, the air we breathe is good. Women are depending on us. They are counting on us to make sure their wages are no longer 75 cents of every dollar we make as men. There is an article in the Washington Post today discussing a problem with more unintended pregnancies than we anticipated. They are depending on us to do something about that. Citizens are depending on us to make sure our fiscal house is in order. They are depending on us to do our work in a bipartisan fashion to effect change in our country to the good. [Snip]


Now there's some lib/dem think for ya!!

33 posted on 01/05/2005 8:10:56 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Mo1; Txsleuth
I think Frist is going to go Nuclear.


DELIVERING SOLUTIONS TO THE NATION'S PROBLEMS -- (Senate - January 04, 2005)

[SNIP] Mr. FRIST. Our first responsibility above all else is to do our constitutional duty. Nothing should come before it. Nothing should stand between it--not party, not ideology, and certainly not politics.

   Yet, in the last Congress I believe the Senate failed to perform an essential constitutional duty. It failed to offer advice and consent to the President by filibustering ten judicial nominees and threatening to filibuster another six. These filibusters were unprecedented. Never in the history of the Senate has a minority filibustered a judicial nominee who had clear majority support. This was an abrupt and an unfortunate break in more than 200 years of Senate tradition, of Senate history. This tradition must be restored, not merely because we honor the traditions of the Senate, but because this tradition reflects the proper role for this body, the Senate, as designed by our Framers in the constitutional arrangement.

   Next month we will have the opportunity to restore Senate tradition. I will bring one of the President's very capable, qualified, and experienced judicial nominees to the floor. We can debate that nomination. We can vote to support it or to oppose it. And we must offer the President advice and consent by giving this and future judicial nominees who are brought to the floor up-or-down votes.

   Some, I know, have suggested that the filibusters of the last Congress are reason enough to offer a procedural change today, right here and right now, but at this moment I do not choose that path.

   Democratic colleagues have new leadership. And in the spirit of bipartisanship, I want to extend my hand across the aisle.

   I have a sincere hope that we can move forward past difficulties--beyond the past difficulties we saw in the last Congress--and look forward to a future of cooperation.

   I seek cooperation, not confrontation. Cooperation does not require support for the nominees. Cooperation simply means voting judicial nominees brought to the floor up or down.

   So let me say this: If my Democratic colleagues exercise self-restraint and do not filibuster judicial nominees, Senate traditions will be restored. It will then be unnecessary to change Senate procedures. Self-restraint on the use of the filibuster for nominations--the very same self-restraint that Senate minorities exercised for more than two centuries--will alleviate the need for any action. But if my Democratic colleagues continue to filibuster judicial nominees, the Senate will face this choice: Fail to do its constitutional duty or reform itself and restore its traditions, and do what the Framers intended.

   Right now, we cannot be certain judicial filibusters will cease. So I reserve the right to propose changes to Senate rule XXII, and do not acquiesce to carrying over all the rules from the last Congress.

   As a public servant who has twice taken an oath to support and defend the Constitution, I cannot stand idly by, nor should any of us, if the Senate fails to do its constitutional duty. We, as Senators, have our constitutional duty to offer the President advice and consent.

   Although our constitutional duties are paramount, we also have a legislative responsibility to the people we serve and to the Nation. This is our opportunity to take on the challenges that each of us sought public office to pursue. After all, we are here not just to occupy our offices but to lead, to be bold, to take action, and to get things done.

[SNIP]

34 posted on 01/05/2005 8:25:41 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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Nancy Pelosi: 1-04-05 "Our sense of fairness demands that we expand access to health care because health care is a right, not a privilege."

AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

35 posted on 01/05/2005 8:46:49 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...

How about this as a measurement to show the differences between Republicans and Democrats?

Yesterday when the House voted in a new speaker there was only one person that answered "PRESENT'', Dennis Hastert. [He won BTW.]

Pelosi, on the other hand, voted for herself.


36 posted on 01/05/2005 8:53:14 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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New rules let House speak of the Senate ("conservatives" end Jefferson's rule)
37 posted on 01/05/2005 9:52:13 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA
Pelosi, on the other hand, voted for herself.

Because she is a self centered arrogant witch

38 posted on 01/05/2005 9:58:44 AM PST by Mo1 (Should be called Oil for Fraud and not Oil for Food)
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To: OXENinFLA

Are you listening to Rush

Apparently back at Thanksgiving .. A bunch of Turkeys were sent to his office to be give to poor folks who had nothing for Thanksgiving Dinner


Well his staff keep them and took them home


39 posted on 01/05/2005 10:15:05 AM PST by Mo1 (Should be called Oil for Fraud and not Oil for Food)
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To: OXENinFLA

Grrrrrrrr

"A bunch of Turkeys were sent to his office"

The Turkey's were sent to Jon Conyers Office


Sorry for the mix up :0(


40 posted on 01/05/2005 10:16:34 AM PST by Mo1 (Should be called Oil for Fraud and not Oil for Food)
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