Posted on 01/04/2005 12:37:46 AM PST by nickcarraway
Wow!Thanks so much for posting that!I never knew how wide spread the fraud was here.Like you I don't know if any of these facts will help Rossi either and sometimes it is better to retreat and advance later, like you say, but I feel that just knowing these facts and putting these details out there for others to see is like shining a little sunshine in a land where before there was darkness. It cant hurt!
Oh please. With 900,000+ voters? There's always some fraud. There isn't any way a vote this close has any meaning without scouring all the votes.
Read up on LBJ and Texas voting fraud
Freedom without justice is not freedom.
Clark County is awful close to Oregon. Could Oregon liberals slip in, vote and slip out undetected? I am not clever enough to see how they could pull something like that off, but if no one is checking names, then votes could come from anywhere.
Must admit that my primary concern was not of that in Wash. St, but in Wash. DC and extending the Republican majority even further towards that magic number.
I did read those and explained in a longer post exactly why I thought they actually were a little too minced. I deleted most of the post b/c I've vowed to shorten them. I guess I fail at making my point in a few short words as many good Freepers seem to do so well.
Instead of
"People ask me what would fraud look like? It would look like this," said state Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance.
I would have preferred something a little stronger like:
"This looks like voter fraud to me. If it is, we are going to insure that people go to jail. The Dems have to stop issuing incredibly ridiculous explanations for what appears to be pure criminal behavior. If this is truly criminal fraud as it appears to be, God help them. Our democracy and the American people won't stand for old Soviet style elections.
This gets the point across and still leave wiggle room. I concede that I missed the second quote.
I've been pretty frustrated with too much spinelessness on our part and perhaps assumed that we would cave on this attempted fraud. It appears that we are slowly growing a backbone. When I think about it, we put up a good fight in Florida in 2000 too. Maybe my frustration is merely displaced and ire should be directed at the actual criminals instead of the victim?
Enough votes to overturn this fraudulent election.
The RATS have some explaining to do. Well no explanation needed being an obvious election rigging. Go Rossi! beat down and pwn3d that b*tch Greg-gore!
The candidate should probably be someone other than Rossi since he has indicated that he isn't interested in a consolation prize. Turning a state around usually begins at the state level, and that means, first and foremost, the Governor. It is my impression that Rossi got into this race to effect real change in his state. Governors can do that. Senators, being one vote in a hundred, dealing more with national issues, usually can't.
But no matter who the candidate is, my impression, as an outsider, is that they'd have a long, tough, uphill slog against Cant-do-well. Cantwell has been entrenched in DC for four years, and has another two years to cement her position. Beating an incumbent 'Rat Senator is always a struggle. That's not to say it can't be done. Thune did it in SD against Daschle, and the guy that beat Cleland in GA two years ago. But those were moderate to conservative-leaning states. Electing a Republican from a liberal 'Rat state to national office would be quite an achievement. You have to try, because in politics that's all you can do (as well as fight like hell when you've been cheated), but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Oh please. With 900,000+ voters? There's always some fraud. There isn't any way a vote this close has any meaning without scouring all the votes.
As loathe as honest people like us are to do it, we have to put ourselves into the Clintonian parsing mode to fully appreciate this statement. Like most 'Rats, this King County 'Rat hack has left himself a lot of wiggle room. He didn't say that there wasn't fraud, just that there was no evidence of it.
It's like when Clinton used to do his Bart Simpson imitation. Remember when Bart would get called on some scheme he was involved it, he never denied doing whatever it was, only that "you can't prove it", and "nobody saw me do it". Same gambit here.
But even his is a lie. There is plenty of evidence of fraud. Besides the thousands of extra ballots coming in, there was the case of the write-in "Christine Rossi" being counted for Gregoire, not Rossi (presumably on the basis of the first name, not last), and the other one posted on FR of the ballot with the black felt-tip pen mark along the edge, just barely nearer Gregoire's name than Rossi's, but not within the oval next to the name, as required by the ballot instruction. Still counted for Gregoire, of course.
The noose is getting tighter on Gregoire.
I certainly hope that explanations such as your have been in front page articles of the Seattle newspapers. It is important that every citrizen knows how many checks are in place to assure no ballot "stuffing."
The simplest one is that the records of voters coming to a precinct (and casting a ballot) and the number of ballots cast agree.
Without that there can be no legal election!
We used the Diebold touchscreen machines, booklists of registered voters, and cards [preprinted with the voter's name, address, etc]. that each voter had to sign and attach to the voting machine that the voter used. We kept a running tally each hour to doublecheck that the number of cards matched the number of ballots recorded at each machine. (Provisional balloters were issued a blank card, which was kept in the provisional ballot sealed bag, IIRC.)
"Mystery voters" = "Massive voter fraud"...WAKE UP WASHINGTON STATE!!!!
I've read so many similar things about vote fraud in Philadelphia - especially the 100% voter registration and near 100% turnout. It seems clear that, absent vote fraud in Philly, Bush won Pennsylvania. The last I heard, Bush's "margin of defeat" statewide was only about 120,000 and he lost Philly by 400,000.
You're right, it's obviously intentional dissembling on his part.
We'll see if Rossi's organization can reverse this electoral crime.
Yeah, but Cantwell could stumble too. Anyway, Go Bucks!
The one I'd like to see get the boot by the good folks of WA state is Osama Bin Murray, aka "the (ignorant) Mom in tennis shoes". Murray, along with Babs Boxer in CA, have to be the two most brainless individuals ever to disgrace the floor of the US Senate.
As much as I complain about Taft, DeWine, Voinovich, et al., being kind of RINOs, they are are a cut above idiots like Murray and Boxer, and thieves like Gregoire. Maybe less complaining and more counting of blessings is in order...
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