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To: Mad Dawg
Woah! I didn't predicate anything about God's knowledge -- certainly not that He knows no more than Man. Even if I had said he gave up SOME knowledge, that doesn't mean he gave up so much that He knows no more than man. Please let me be outrageous before you jump all over me.

How nice you allow him to know more than man, but how do you know that ? How do you know how much he gave up? How much does he have to give up to stop being God?

What if he gave up enough that man could change the future? Could Satan win?

It seems to me I heard God wanted us to be "sons, and if sons then heirs". And all I know about being a parent is that I want my kid to choose the Good and to do so Freely.

Did your son have the choice of you as a parent? His sex or look? His IQ? Your socioeconomic /financial state ( that would impact his education)? Did he choose the country of his birth or the church that you would raise him in?

As you see your son had almost no choice in anything that makes him what he is . That was decided BY GOD , as was his personality and preferences.

Your honored free will is not quite as "free" as you propose .

God has given men free will, but they will never seek him or desire him , unless God acts on Him

It is rather like you placed your son on an island and then expected him to love you when you finally met . For you to divorce your relationship with your son from his desire or ability to love you is foolishness.

YOU acted first. You drew him to you, introduced your self to him and graced him with your love . He made a choice to love you ...but only because YOU LOVED HIM FIRST

1Jo 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

In my case that means acknowledging that my power over her chossing is limited. If God has given free will (to humans or angels)(and I know that's vexed) I'm just suggesting that that would seem to imply that He gave up, in some way or another, some of His power.

I await your scripture that says God gave you or the angels "free will"

Does God have free will? Do you want for yourself what God does not have ?

420 posted on 01/06/2005 6:11:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Your honored free will is not quite as "free" as you propose .

I DEFY you to find one post in this thread where I have definitely said that I think that man has free will. Find ONE.

I await your apology.

422 posted on 01/06/2005 6:20:52 PM PST by Mad Dawg (My P226 wants to teach you what SIGnify means ...)
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