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The usual view (except for Calvinists, who allow little or no room for free will) is that God knows everything, but that His foreknowledge of what an individual will do nevertheless does not FORCE him to do it. The individual still acts freely, his will enabled by God's prevenient grace.

And if God knows that an individual's "free will" choice will damn him, yet allows that person to make those choices, and has even created that person knowing that his choices will lead to his damnation, how can anyone logically affirm true "free will?"

They can't. The absolute predestining will of God is part and parcel of the mystery that is God. We are as He made us. Every hair numbered.

But God does not "force" anyone to do anything. Because of Adam's fall, all men are dead in sin and incapable of performing anything God-pleasing. Only after man has been regenerated by God's grace, can he hear the truth of Scripture and act righteously, according to God's plan for His creation, ordained by Him from before the foundation of the world.

Or else He's not God; He's Zeus.

Nothing else makes any sense. And Open Theism is blasphemy.

20 posted on 01/03/2005 9:47:20 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Since God knew of Adam's fall, and He created all of us after that, dead in sin...does this mean that God knows who will be regenerated? If so, why bother with creating those chosen ones, dead in sin?


24 posted on 01/03/2005 10:04:35 AM PST by stuartcr
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Nothing else makes any sense. And Open Theism is blasphemy.

I am Catholic. My understanding of Free Will is likely quite different from yours but my understanding of "Open Theism" leads me to believe it to be rank heresy.

89 posted on 01/03/2005 11:58:57 AM PST by ThanhPhero ( Nguoi hanh huong den La Vang)
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