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Religious School Fires Theologian For "Open Theism"
Christianity Today ^
| 12/22/04
| Stan Guthrie
Posted on 01/03/2005 8:18:33 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: griffin
Only God can bring Glory, not sinners.
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Romans 3:23)
Men get no credit for being saved. Only Jesus.
without a correct choice from a spiritually dead sin enslaved person the deal can not be completed and therefore Christ's atonement is not complete and adequate by itself. Beyond reason.
Please show me how a dead person can make a correct choice.
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posted on
01/03/2005 6:18:26 PM PST
by
Raycpa
(Alias, VRWC_minion,)
Comment #222 Removed by Moderator
To: kidkosmic1
You are claiming things that are outside orthodox Christianity, Calvinist or not.
223
posted on
01/03/2005 6:22:25 PM PST
by
rwfromkansas
("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
To: stuartcr
Perhaps if you could give me an example of a knowable truth, without a scripture quote, it would help me to understand.When a hammer falls on your head, it hurts.
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posted on
01/03/2005 6:23:10 PM PST
by
Raycpa
(Alias, VRWC_minion,)
To: rwfromkansas
Election, as Scripture details, is completely God-caused. I agree despite every being of my mind wanting to disagree.
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posted on
01/03/2005 6:24:56 PM PST
by
Raycpa
(Alias, VRWC_minion,)
To: PFC
Nearly all religions have a core belief that you should love your neighbor.But do thay have a belief that we are basically evil and need God to redeem us in order to be able to love our neighbor ?
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posted on
01/03/2005 6:26:27 PM PST
by
Raycpa
(Alias, VRWC_minion,)
To: Raycpa
But do thay have a belief that we are basically evil and need God to redeem us in order to be able to love our neighbor ?
If believing that helps you love your neighbor, I would not want to change your beliefs.
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posted on
01/03/2005 6:35:02 PM PST
by
PFC
To: PFC
Thank you for taking the time to explain your beliefs at least in summary. As my father-in-law says, "Someday we will know, won't we?" There is one absolute truth we can all agree on at FR, and that is, that we are going to die. What we believe, while we are still living, has relevance for that moment doesn't it?
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posted on
01/03/2005 6:37:05 PM PST
by
suzyjaruki
(Love God and do as you please - Augustine)
To: PFC
(Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.)
You say you believe in God, yet how can you believe in God if you do not believe his word.
For the Word IS God.
Either you believe or you do not, you cannot have it both ways. Which is it?
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posted on
01/03/2005 6:39:44 PM PST
by
OneVike
(just a christian waiting to go home)
To: PFC
But do thay have a belief that we are basically evil and need God to redeem us in order to be able to love our neighbor ?Do you believe that man is basically good ? If so, we should have elimated evil deeds long ago.
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posted on
01/03/2005 6:43:36 PM PST
by
Raycpa
(Alias, VRWC_minion,)
To: suzyjaruki
Thank you for taking the time to explain your beliefs at least in summary. As my father-in-law says, "Someday we will know, won't we?" There is one absolute truth we can all agree on at FR, and that is, that we are going to die. What we believe, while we are still living, has relevance for that moment doesn't it?
Yes it does because it pushes us to be more than we are.
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posted on
01/03/2005 6:44:00 PM PST
by
PFC
To: OneVike
Either you believe or you do not, you cannot have it both ways. Which is it?Personally, I believed in God before I believed that scripture was written by God. It was only after studying it over time that I came to begin to appreciate all that it is. No other writings can compare.
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posted on
01/03/2005 6:47:50 PM PST
by
Raycpa
(Alias, VRWC_minion,)
To: Raycpa
It is tough stuff. It took me a long time to accept it because I did not like it either.
But, now that I have, I feel like I am finally free to let God be God and just be grateful he gives mercy to any of us.
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posted on
01/03/2005 6:50:24 PM PST
by
rwfromkansas
("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
To: AppyPappy; maestro; fortheDeclaration
"Is this biblical?" Certainly not now, but with all of the "new translations" popping up all the time, who knows if God will even survive the next ten years?
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posted on
01/03/2005 6:52:22 PM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
To: editor-surveyor
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posted on
01/03/2005 7:12:50 PM PST
by
maestro
To: maestro; editor-surveyor; fortheDeclaration; xzins
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posted on
01/03/2005 7:22:08 PM PST
by
maestro
To: OneVike
You say you believe in God, yet how can you believe in God if you do not believe his word.
For the Word IS God.
Either you believe or you do not, you cannot have it both ways. Which is it?
For many the Bible and God is inseperable. And many believe that the only way to God is through the Bible. I don't share that belief. I do believe the Bible that can bring people to God. But I believe it was written by men about God, not by God. As a work of man there will be errors.
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posted on
01/03/2005 7:29:19 PM PST
by
PFC
To: rwfromkansas
"You are a heretic."
This is nonsense. God forbid that you would call me a "heretic" for quoting black and white KJV Scripture. I believe the Bible is the literal word of God and that Jesus Christ is the great I Am who came down from Heaven in the flesh to sacrifice His perfect, sinless life to save mankind from his wretched sins. God forbid that you'd say such a thing. Do ye worship at the alter of John Calvin or the Pope? How absurd.
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posted on
01/03/2005 8:00:30 PM PST
by
kidkosmic1
(www.InterviewwithGod.com)
To: stuartcr
"Why do you believe this?"A number of reasons
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posted on
01/03/2005 8:39:21 PM PST
by
DannyTN
To: Dataman
Ned Nickerson, I presume? 8~)
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posted on
01/03/2005 8:44:59 PM PST
by
Dr. Eckleburg
(There are very few shades of gray.)
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