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Religious School Fires Theologian For "Open Theism"
Christianity Today ^ | 12/22/04 | Stan Guthrie

Posted on 01/03/2005 8:18:33 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...assures us that God's will is subjective to nothing but Himself.

Incorrect use of the word, Dr. I think you meant to say "subject" rather than "subjective."

101 posted on 01/03/2005 12:20:43 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

How do you know your facts are correct? Is there a way to prove them?


102 posted on 01/03/2005 12:22:12 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I'm not a reformed Christian, but I believe that my knowledge, fruits and every breath, is based on God's will.

I do not understand salvation.

I believe that these are the cards I was dealt.


103 posted on 01/03/2005 12:25:16 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
What then, is an absolute?

Everything in existence is an absolute, whether men recognize it or not.

God created everything for one reason -- His good and holy pleasure absolutely.

Men write with gray chalk that eventually fades away. God is the only indelible ink.

104 posted on 01/03/2005 12:25:43 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: stuartcr
My facts? Facts are facts. They are objective by definition. Interpretation of those facts is subjective. That interpretation may include how I see them, how I hear or read them. But my interpretation does not change their reality.
105 posted on 01/03/2005 12:26:13 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: stuartcr
I do not understand salvation. I believe that these are the cards I was dealt.

You may be right.

More's the pity.

106 posted on 01/03/2005 12:27:51 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Matchett-PI

Please define an absolute, so that I may better comprehend what you said.


107 posted on 01/03/2005 12:27:52 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: HossB86
Jhn 3:14
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Num 21:8-9
8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.(emphasis added)

It looks to me we take part in the affair, albeit not deserving of any personal merit. Those who chose not to look, or believed they would survive without looking -- died.

The Gospel is simple, repent (recognize we are fatally bitten in need of salvation) and receive (looking to the cross for the only remedy) the all complete free gift of salvation provided by Jesus Christ.

Jhn 3:27
27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

Yes!

Jhn 1:12
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

And Yes!

108 posted on 01/03/2005 12:28:41 PM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Truth is an absolute?


109 posted on 01/03/2005 12:30:31 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: ShadowAce

How does one determine between fact, and interpretation?


110 posted on 01/03/2005 12:31:49 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Why?


111 posted on 01/03/2005 12:32:25 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
Truth is an absolute?

"The eagle lands at midnight."

Your turn.

112 posted on 01/03/2005 12:34:10 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: stuartcr

Why, indeed.


113 posted on 01/03/2005 12:34:49 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: xzins; AppyPappy
"The point that God doesn't know the future because it isn't knowable is just about right on"

God knew that Peter would choose to deny him three times.

God has prophesied the future. If God doesn't know than, he is presumption or he forces to future to occur. But God has prophesied man's sin repeatedly, including: Israel's sin, Peter's sin, Sin of man in the last days, sin of man following the 1000 year reign of Christ.

If God prophesied sin, and yet didn't cause it Himself, then God must know the future. If God did cause it Himself, then how can it be sin?

I believe that when God says He is the Alpha and Omega, that He is already the Omega. He exists at all points in time simultaneously. That is why comments are made in scripture like Jesus' "Before Moses I AM" instead of "Befoe Moses I was". That is why future events are often spoken of in past tense in scripture.

114 posted on 01/03/2005 12:34:58 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: stuartcr

That is a very good question. Do you have an answer?


115 posted on 01/03/2005 12:35:20 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: stuartcr
"What then, is an absolute?"

"Self-evident moral truths" are absolute truths --- true for all people in all places at all times down through history.

(Hint, hint -- ever hear of the Constitution? It's only purpose is to guard absolute moral truth (our inalienable God-given rights) - "We hold these truths to be self-evident that ...."). Unless it is effectively guarding absolute moral truths, it is a meaningless document.

116 posted on 01/03/2005 12:36:34 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Today's DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I do not know what you mean?


117 posted on 01/03/2005 12:38:02 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Why do you say...'more's the pity'?


118 posted on 01/03/2005 12:38:36 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr

Check with the Calvanists.


119 posted on 01/03/2005 12:39:02 PM PST by freedumb2003 (My DU name is Bunny Planet and I don't care who knows it! Everyone reveal yours!)
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To: ShadowAce

No. If you cannot answer, at least say so.


120 posted on 01/03/2005 12:40:10 PM PST by stuartcr
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