[Andrewksu]

I found the arguments very interesting, two of the women, who are good friends of mine, said they would never have an abortion. But they want that to be their right, regardless of the life of the child. I could not get an answer as to when exactly the child magically becomes a life in their terms, which stumped them a bit and they had no answer. I was able to make a little progress, but the sticking point is the issue that the mother can kill here child, albeit unborn, if it is a burden on them, financially, physically or career wise (DAMNED CAPITALIST PIGS!).

One of the ladies was not even aware of what a partial birth abortion was, when I explained, she gasped and didn't believe me. I offered to show her websites detailing this activity, but she declined (too gruesome).

The other is actually trying to have a child, so is a bit conflicted. However, there is little hope for her as her mother is a flaming left winger who is a labor negotiator for the NEA!! I am sure you can imagine her views!

[ArGee]

But they want that to be their right, regardless of the life of the child.

I know. I've met the type before. That's where the male abortion discussion is so helpful. Men obviously would want such a device so they wouldn't have to pay child support. It's an obvious issue of selfishness - just as a woman's abortion is. Bringing the discussion up from a different point of view can be helpful in getting past defenses.

Shalom.