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To: js1138

"Heresy is pretty much the same thing as thinking."

You sort of got that backward. tx eggman is trying to get me to disagree with him on something he thinks is crucial to being a Christian. Since he thinks that evolution cannot be a fact and anyone who thinks it is a fact cannot be a Christian, he is trying to find one more thing to confirm his view.

But he is wrong that a Christian cannot think evolution is a fact. And you are wrong that being a thinking Christian is impossible. I agree with you that it is impossible to be a thinking Christian and hold to the Biblical misinterpretations of the creationists. In fact, it is my contention that creationists are not really Christians at all.

To turn the Bible into nonsense goes against everything Jesus and Paul hoped for the Church. No, creationism is really a christian-like cult. It has the form of Christianity, but has departed from the precepts the Gospel
requires. Those precepts are in the Nicene Creed. But to follow the Great Commission, one cannot oppose fact and insist on belief that is just plain nutty. The nuttiness drives people away from Christianity, since they think that all Christians are scientific idiots.

It is difficult enough for people to believe in the Resurrection, without asking them to also believe that Noah and a few people kept all the animals on a wooden boat for a year and this saved the world.(or any of a number of other silly misinterpretations of the Bible)

The more this happens, the more money the charlatans at AIG make, because their following gives them more money whenever they find people resisting "the true word". Their thinking goes something like this,"What you don't believe that Noah had all the animals on a boat? I bet you don't believe in the Resurrection, either!" Thus, making belief in Noah salvational and hardly getting to Jesus at all.

It makes me very sad.


685 posted on 01/05/2005 1:19:53 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi
And you are wrong that being a thinking Christian is impossible.

We will get along better if you assume my short posts are ironic until proven otherwise.

687 posted on 01/05/2005 1:22:30 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: shubi

692 posted on 01/05/2005 1:41:13 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin
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To: shubi
Since he thinks that evolution cannot be a fact and anyone who thinks it is a fact cannot be a Christian, he is trying to find one more thing to confirm his view.

I love it when people put words in my mouth.

Shubi, if you recall, a little while back you posted

Why anyone would care about a foreign liberal law professor who was trying to overturn a legal election process is beyond me. We need more of these "accidents" for our country to survive.

concerning a woman killed in an accident

In part of my reply, I stated:

I'm not implying that their dogged clinging to "6 days 6 thousand years ago "theology" is or isn't a case of their straining at gnats and swallowing camels, merely that hypocrisy just as likely dwells in the heart of one professing to hold out the love of Christ to a dying world who at the same time can say what you said.

I don't care about the Evoluton/Creation controversy and I don't care where you come down on the argument. I DO NOT believe that it is crucial to being a Christian. Faith in Christ is the only requirement for that.

There are, however, crucial questions of Christian faith, among which are included ... did God become a man? Did the Word become flesh and dwell among us? They are crucial because the answers to them define the character of the one you are putting your faith in. If the answer to them is negative then, although you may have faith in someone, it isn't the Jesus sent by the Father

Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. - 2John 1:7

So my questions were pointed. I did not say that Jesus was "only" human but He is a human being.

Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death– even death on a cross. Philippians 2:5-8

As anyone who has paid attention to you since you showed up 2 months ago can see, you are OBSESSED with the controversy over Evolution/Creationism. Would that you would put as much energy into seeking God as you do defending your position. God doesn't need you to defend His.

695 posted on 01/05/2005 2:07:08 PM PST by tx_eggman ("All I need to know about Islam I learned on 09/11/01" - Crawdad)
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